Using ship fuel as aviation fuel?

Hi John,

Detonation refers to more energy being imparted to the fuel air
mixture by
compression heating than can be absorbed without igniting the fuel.
Detonation damages rod bearings and is a serious problem over the
long
term
in reciprocating engines.

John, every power stroke of a diesel engine fits that definition.
Diesels, by definition, compress the fuel & air to the point the
fuel ignites.

only air is compressed, but well beyond the point where fuel will
ignite! But the fuel is only added at the moment when it is supposed to
ignite.

regards,
Friedrich

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"Friedrich Ostertag" writes:
Hi John,

Detonation refers to more energy being imparted to the fuel air
mixture by
compression heating than can be absorbed without igniting the fuel.
Detonation damages rod bearings and is a serious problem over the
long
term
in reciprocating engines.

John, every power stroke of a diesel engine fits that definition.
Diesels, by definition, compress the fuel & air to the point the
fuel ignites.

only air is compressed, but well beyond the point where fuel will
ignite! But the fuel is only added at the moment when it is supposed to
ignite.

Just so, Friedfrich.
To get to teh original point, In the U.S.,(Or NATO, for that matter,
Kerosene, #1 Diesel, and Jet-A type (JP-5 and JP-8) are considered
interchangable.
The U.S. Army, and, IIRC, all of NATO, by now, is using JP-8 as its
sole aviation adn diesel fuel. in order to ease logistical demands.
Jet-B type fuels, (Jet-B, JP-4), aren't considered suitable for use in
Diesels. (THey've got gasoline in them)

#2 Diesel fuel, used in warmer climates in the U.S., had a higher
sulphur content (It doesn't anymore, pollution, you know) and some
engines used the greater viscosity that they brought about to
lubricate parts of teh fuel system (Injector pumps, usually). Of
course, without the sulphur, it doesn't do that anymore, so there are
additives available for the engines which need it. (Sort of like the
aftermarket Lead Substitutes for older gasoline engines).
# Heating Oil is similar, but doesn't have the Dyes placed in U.S. #2
Diesel fuel to show that the necessary fuel taxes have been paid.
(Note for homeowners between Heating Oil deliveries - These dyes tend
to leave residues in the cumbustor of the furnace that can shorten its
life. If you need a small dollop of additional fuel, use Kerosene
instead)

I note the Tarver has popped in. Just to translate from Tarver to
English, "Cut and Paste" means Performed Research - in this case,
sources are Chevron's Technical Notes on Fuels, and the NATO logistics
manuals. Mine are hard copies, buy they are probably available on the
Web.
As for hands-on experience, current Diesels in the family Truck Park
include a 1945 Cable-Lift Catepillar D-6, and a 1959 Mack B61.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
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#2 Diesel fuel, used in warmer climates in the U.S., had a higher
sulphur content (It doesn't anymore, pollution, you know) and some
engines used the greater viscosity that they brought about to
lubricate parts of teh fuel system (Injector pumps, usually).

Nice cut and paste Pete, but there is more to #2 diesel than what you write.
California made #2 diesel madatory, so that the injector clearances can be
tightened. More recently, California has required additives to #2 diesel
that cause the engine's seals to disintegrate. This change has managed to
run this County's long haul trucking businesses to Oklahoma and other
operators to evade California road taxes by filling up before entering the
State.

In rec.aviation.military Peter Stickney wrote:

# Heating Oil is similar, but doesn't have the Dyes placed in U.S. #2
Diesel fuel to show that the necessary fuel taxes have been paid.

Uh, just a minor quibble, but my understanding is that they
dye the non-taxed stuff so that they can see the dye in over the
road trucks that have been cheating. I know, dying the non-taxed
seems backwards but that is what I have always seen on various web
pages related to diesel fuel issues. Here is a link to an EPA
document to support what I have said.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/f99029.pdf

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

wrote in message ...
In rec.aviation.military Peter Stickney wrote:

# Heating Oil is similar, but doesn't have the Dyes placed in U.S. #2
Diesel fuel to show that the necessary fuel taxes have been paid.

Uh, just a minor quibble, but my understanding is that they
dye the non-taxed stuff so that they can see the dye in over the
road trucks that have been cheating. I know, dying the non-taxed
seems backwards but that is what I have always seen on various web
pages related to diesel fuel issues. Here is a link to an EPA
document to support what I have said.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/f99029.pdf

Bill is of course, correct.

wrote in message ...
In rec.aviation.military Peter Stickney wrote:

# Heating Oil is similar, but doesn't have the Dyes placed in U.S. #2
Diesel fuel to show that the necessary fuel taxes have been paid.

Uh, just a minor quibble, but my understanding is that they
dye the non-taxed stuff so that they can see the dye in over the
road trucks that have been cheating. I know, dying the non-taxed
seems backwards but that is what I have always seen on various web
pages related to diesel fuel issues. Here is a link to an EPA
document to support what I have said.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/f99029.pdf


In the UK diesel fuel for agricultural vehicles is exempt
from tax and it is dyed red. As diesel is more commonly
used on cars and pickups than in the USA its common
to see excise men checking fuel tanks at country
markets and fairs.

Keith

wrote:

In rec.aviation.military Peter Stickney wrote:

# Heating Oil is similar, but doesn't have the Dyes placed in U.S. #2
Diesel fuel to show that the necessary fuel taxes have been paid.

Uh, just a minor quibble, but my understanding is that they
dye the non-taxed stuff so that they can see the dye in over the
road trucks that have been cheating. I know, dying the non-taxed
seems backwards but that is what I have always seen on various web
pages related to diesel fuel issues. Here is a link to an EPA
document to support what I have said.

I know that you're right Bill, at least as far as Canada is
concerned...I remember on my grandfather's farm when he'd order
gasoline for use in farm vehicles the truck driver would pour a
little bottle of red dye into the storage tank after he had
filled it, this stuff will stain the carb on any vehicle red, I
don't know how in 'ell it gets out to do that but I assure you
that it does!...
--

-Gord.

"Friedrich Ostertag" wrote in message
...
Hi John,

Detonation refers to more energy being imparted to the fuel air
mixture by
compression heating than can be absorbed without igniting the fuel.
Detonation damages rod bearings and is a serious problem over the
long
term
in reciprocating engines.

John, every power stroke of a diesel engine fits that definition.
Diesels, by definition, compress the fuel & air to the point the
fuel ignites.

only air is compressed, but well beyond the point where fuel will
ignite! But the fuel is only added at the moment when it is supposed to
ignite.

Hmmm, you're right of course and I never meant to imply
otherwise. I can see where it could be taken that I did though.