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![]() "Kerryn Offord" wrote in message ... Jim Yanik wrote: SNIP Now,that UK man who shot the burglars in the back was justified,as the police were of NO use,and he had suffered repeated burglaries.The police failed in providing him security,so it fell upon himself to do so. Criminals should have no right to safety while commiting their crimes. SNIP This is simply attempted murder. The target was no threat and was departing, but the householder shot him anyway (that makes it vindictive). If the householder had just shot the guy in the chest when he first confronted him.... It seems to come down to a difference in attitudes. This reminds me of an incident in Northern Ireland: A squaddie was manning a vehicle checkpoint as a car approached at speed - with obvious hostile intent. The passenger in the car opened fire on the checkpoint, and so - understandably - the soldier returned fire. The car passed and nobody had scored a hit, unfortunately though, as the car accelerated away the soldier killed one of the occupants (ISTR the driver). Since the lethal shot was fired with the car having passed - that soldier was successfully charged with manslaughter and went to prison. Tricky to decide whether that soldier was right to fire, and I would argue that he was. NI SOPs decided he wasn't (and I think there was a political move to show him little leniency), but this is a good example of the mindset within the UK that a number of you US guys cannot fathom. Reasonable force has its limits and the particular point of the scenario/situation when force is applied successfully goes a long way to determine the legality of your actions. Americans hold everybody else's life cheap (cheaper than the cheapest bit of property). Uk/NZ and others consider both lives of value, but allow reasonable force in defence of self or others (defence of property is different). |
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![]() "Jim Doyle" wrote in message ... This reminds me of an incident in Northern Ireland: A squaddie was manning a vehicle checkpoint as a car approached at speed - with obvious hostile intent. The passenger in the car opened fire on the checkpoint, and so - understandably - the soldier returned fire. The car passed and nobody had scored a hit, unfortunately though, as the car accelerated away the soldier killed one of the occupants (ISTR the driver). Since the lethal shot was fired with the car having passed - that soldier was successfully charged with manslaughter and went to prison. Tricky to decide whether that soldier was right to fire, and I would argue that he was. NI SOPs decided he wasn't (and I think there was a political move to show him little leniency), In fact he was cleared of manslaughter on appeal. Keith |
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![]() "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... In fact he was cleared of manslaughter on appeal. Keith Keith - my apologies, you are quite right. |
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