Why no Cannons on Police Helicopters?

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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Why,what's changed in the last 5 years? Nothing.But UK gun crimes
have risen every year,I believe,despite gun "control".

Yeah, I think we had 23 killed last year as opposed to 17 in 1999.
That's *how* much more dangerous than the US?


Last year in fact there was a drop of 16% of robberies involving
guns and a drop of 13% in homicides involving firearms.

How about robberies in general? Or homicides in general? Increase or
decrease?

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime/guncrime/index.html

The same source also points out than only 0.5% of crimes
reported to the police involve the use,possession or
threat of use of firearms

A more telling statistic is that of the number of police
officers killed and injured by firearms during the
course of their duty. In the 10 years between 1992 and
2002 there were exactly 3 police officers killed and
40 seriously injured.

Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

The equivalent figures for the USA are 1,533 killed and
23,000 seriously injured.

Perhaps this explains why all the coppers I know
prefer tight gun control, none of them are armed
themselves of course.

Keith






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Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in
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A more telling statistic is that of the number of police
officers killed and injured by firearms during the
course of their duty. In the 10 years between 1992 and
2002 there were exactly 3 police officers killed and
40 seriously injured.

Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US
every year and US cops are armed while British police
typically are not.

I prefer things our way.

Keith

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:32:12 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in
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A more telling statistic is that of the number of police
officers killed and injured by firearms during the
course of their duty. In the 10 years between 1992 and
2002 there were exactly 3 police officers killed and
40 seriously injured.

Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US
every year and US cops are armed while British police
typically are not.

In addition, some of the US deaths and injuries are from friendly
fire. Doesn't matter what the bad guys think when it's the good guys
doing the shooting.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and US cops
are armed while British police typically are not.

I prefer things our way.


Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland. Nothing significant
was accomplished there until there was significant international
assistance with the interdiction effort.

You can't expect the rest of the world to act like sheep, and that is
precisely why the British foisted their biggest police problems on
others -- in their colonies that is, rather than at home.

Americans have nowhere to run. Our problems are here, and we have to
stay here to deal with them, instead of running away from the problems
like the Brits.

"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and US
cops
are armed while British police typically are not.

I prefer things our way.


Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland.

You mean that place they sent the Army into. You know, those folks with
really cool guns. The Royal Ulster Constabulary made considerable use of
firearms as well.

tim gueguen 101867

"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:PCAic.247951$oR5.203713@pd7tw3no...
"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and US
cops
are armed while British police typically are not.

I prefer things our way.


Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland.

You mean that place they sent the Army into.


Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood,
city or state. No need to.

On some days (when they please the English) Northern Irelanders are
referred to as "British". On other days, it is generally considered a
crime to be Irish.


You know, those folks with really cool guns. The Royal Ulster Constabulary
made considerable use of firearms as well.


As did the Loyalist guerrillas, who greatly outnumbered their
adversaries from IRA.

"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"tim gueguen" wrote in message
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and
US
cops
are armed while British police typically are not.

I prefer things our way.


Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland.

You mean that place they sent the Army into.


Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood,
city or state. No need to.

Because no part of the US has had a bunch of terrorist bombers running
around blowing things up for years. If say one of the militia groups had
engaged in a sustained and effect campaign of terror in Michigan you'd see
soldiers patrolling the street there as well. The US has been fortunate
that its terrorists have either been relatively limited in their actual
activities, or have proven ineffectual at anything beyond simple crime, like
the Order in the mid '80s. The US has never had a terrorist group as
operationally effective as the IRA or the Red Brigades.

tim gueguen 101867

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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"tim gueguen" wrote in message
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in
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Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year
and
US
cops
are armed while British police typically are not.

I prefer things our way.


Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland.

You mean that place they sent the Army into.


Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood,
city or state. No need to.

Because no part of the US has had a bunch of terrorist bombers running
around blowing things up for years. If say one of the militia groups
had engaged in a sustained and effect campaign of terror in Michigan
you'd see soldiers patrolling the street there as well. The US has
been fortunate that its terrorists have either been relatively limited
in their actual activities, or have proven ineffectual at anything
beyond simple crime, like the Order in the mid '80s. The US has never
had a terrorist group as operationally effective as the IRA or the Red
Brigades.

tim gueguen 101867




The US military is prohibited by LAW from operating inside the US.
(Posse Comitatus,IIRC)

Bsides,the police SWAT teams,FBI and BATF-troop are all very close to
military capabilities.Now the National Guard (considered today's militia)
could be deployed.
Although,IMO,they are merely part of the ordinary US military.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:bX%ic.260994$Ig.101272@pd7tw2no...
Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland.

You mean that place they sent the Army into.


Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood,
city or state. No need to.

Because no part of the US has had a bunch of terrorist bombers running
around blowing things up for years. If say one of the militia groups had
engaged in a sustained and effect campaign of terror in Michigan you'd see
soldiers patrolling the street there as well.


For the better part of a century? : )

And Northern Ireland is part of an island, Michigan is not. This
should have made the job much easier for the British government, but
they are simply bad policemen.


US has never had a terrorist group as operationally effective as the IRA


The British called Washington's Continental Army a terrorist group.

The IRA was successful mainly because the numbskulls of the British
security forces were so ineffective. To this day, their strategy in
Northern Ireland still has no clear objectives.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:08:39 GMT, "tim gueguen" wrote:


"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"tim gueguen" wrote in message
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea.

Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and
US
cops
are armed while British police typically are not.

I prefer things our way.


Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland.

You mean that place they sent the Army into.


Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood,
city or state. No need to.

Because no part of the US has had a bunch of terrorist bombers running
around blowing things up for years. If say one of the militia groups had
engaged in a sustained and effect campaign of terror in Michigan you'd see
soldiers patrolling the street there as well. The US has been fortunate
that its terrorists have either been relatively limited in their actual
activities, or have proven ineffectual at anything beyond simple crime, like
the Order in the mid '80s. The US has never had a terrorist group as
operationally effective as the IRA or the Red Brigades.

tim gueguen 101867

And we never will. We live under the rule of law, and have an armed
citizenry that will not tolerate such madness.

Al Minyard