Norway may ditch the JSF!

"John Cook" wrote in message
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Hi All

Heres something from Reuters...


"U.S. arms giant Lockheed Martin Corp , which made the F-16s, was
accused by Norwegian politicians of failing to hand out enough
sub-contracts to Norwegian firms under a plan to develop a new
generation fighter.


Gee, John, I bet this got you so excited you could hardly type, eh? Why
don't you wait until the actual selection is made before you start trying
once again to attack all things USian?

Brooks

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:17:57 -0400, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"John Cook" wrote in message
.. .
Hi All

Heres something from Reuters...


"U.S. arms giant Lockheed Martin Corp , which made the F-16s, was
accused by Norwegian politicians of failing to hand out enough
sub-contracts to Norwegian firms under a plan to develop a new
generation fighter.


Gee, John, I bet this got you so excited you could hardly type, eh? Why
don't you wait until the actual selection is made before you start trying
once again to attack all things USian?

Its from Reuters Kevin, and its regarding Military aviation....

The only bits I added were "Hi All, Here's something from
Reuters...", unless that means something 'derogatory to the US' in
Kevin world?.

Do you have _anything_ useful to add to the thread regarding the
JSF?.

Cheers




John Cook

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"John Cook" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:17:57 -0400, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"John Cook" wrote in message
.. .
Hi All

Heres something from Reuters...


"U.S. arms giant Lockheed Martin Corp , which made the F-16s, was
accused by Norwegian politicians of failing to hand out enough
sub-contracts to Norwegian firms under a plan to develop a new
generation fighter.


Gee, John, I bet this got you so excited you could hardly type, eh? Why
don't you wait until the actual selection is made before you start trying
once again to attack all things USian?

Its from Reuters Kevin, and its regarding Military aviation....

The only bits I added were "Hi All, Here's something from
Reuters...", unless that means something 'derogatory to the US' in
Kevin world?.

Do you have _anything_ useful to add to the thread regarding the
JSF?.

When are you going to make your premier pro-JSF post? About the same time as
you present your first "here is something *good* about the F/A-22" post, or
maybe in concurrence with your first-ever "Eurofighter encounters glitch"
post (something else we have not seen much about from you)? Or maybe hwen
you belatedly announce to us that the electric grid in Iraq is now serving
more customers than it did before OIF? But hey, you are not anti-American
now, are you...?

Brooks


Cheers




John Cook

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Gee, John, I bet this got you so excited you could hardly type, eh? Why
don't you wait until the actual selection is made before you start trying
once again to attack all things USian?

Its from Reuters Kevin, and its regarding Military aviation....

The only bits I added were "Hi All, Here's something from
Reuters...", unless that means something 'derogatory to the US' in
Kevin world?.

Do you have _anything_ useful to add to the thread regarding the
JSF?.

When are you going to make your premier pro-JSF post? About the same time as
you present your first "here is something *good* about the F/A-22" post, or
maybe in concurrence with your first-ever "Eurofighter encounters glitch"
post (something else we have not seen much about from you)? Or maybe hwen
you belatedly announce to us that the electric grid in Iraq is now serving
more customers than it did before OIF? But hey, you are not anti-American
now, are you...?



Saying that more Iraqi's are being serviced by the electrical grid
isn't the best example you could give at the moment - Many have seen
the pictures of that Iraqi prisoner hooked up to it ;-).

My _Most recent_ Pro JSF Post
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=BV...x.co m&rnum=1

F-22 is good post
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au... le.com&rnum=9

Eurofighter encounters a glitch
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...x.co m&rnum=1


The website I comaintain has plenty on the Eurofighters problems and
its successes....

Now answer my question - Do you have _anything_ useful to add to this
thread regarding the JSF?

Cheers
John Cook

Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All
opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

Email Address :-
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"John Cook" wrote in message
...

Gee, John, I bet this got you so excited you could hardly type, eh?
Why
don't you wait until the actual selection is made before you start
trying
once again to attack all things USian?

Its from Reuters Kevin, and its regarding Military aviation....

The only bits I added were "Hi All, Here's something from
Reuters...", unless that means something 'derogatory to the US' in
Kevin world?.

Do you have _anything_ useful to add to the thread regarding the
JSF?.

When are you going to make your premier pro-JSF post? About the same time
as
you present your first "here is something *good* about the F/A-22" post,
or
maybe in concurrence with your first-ever "Eurofighter encounters glitch"
post (something else we have not seen much about from you)? Or maybe hwen
you belatedly announce to us that the electric grid in Iraq is now
serving
more customers than it did before OIF? But hey, you are not anti-American
now, are you...?



Saying that more Iraqi's are being serviced by the electrical grid
isn't the best example you could give at the moment - Many have seen
the pictures of that Iraqi prisoner hooked up to it ;-).

Not really a laughing matter--and of course, the individuals responsible
were brought up on charges before the press even went public with that
story. A number of personnel facing courts martial, and a fair number of
more senior leaders receiving non-judicial punishment for lesser related
offenses, because a troopie did what he was supposed to do (report
improper/illegal behavior). So the end game looks like a few individuals
screwed up, are facing the consequences, and the US Army met its obligation
to investigate and take punitive action where appropriate--not a bad thing,
IMO.

Now, are you so anti-US that you won't recognize that we did indeed
reconstruct the grid to extend beyond its pre-OIF limits (actually, that was
the case about four or five months ago, IIRC)? Or are you going to tell us
again the John Cook-translation-of-Iraqi-desires?


My _Most recent_ Pro JSF Post

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=BV...x.co m&rnum=1

Gee, with all the "buts" and conditionals, you call that a *pro* post?


F-22 is good post

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au... le.com&rnum=9

I am impressed. So you actually do recognize that the F/A-22 is the top
performer worldwide?

Eurofighter encounters a glitch

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...x.co m&rnum=1


Uhmmm...all you did there was note that one crashed (kind of hard to dance
away from that one), and supposedly why that happened. OTOH, after a few
much more knowledgable folks took you to task over that whole "Typhoons whip
F-15's in spur-of-the-moment-DACM" bit, you continued to stick by that
account.



The website I comaintain has plenty on the Eurofighters problems and
its successes....

Now answer my question - Do you have _anything_ useful to add to this
thread regarding the JSF?

An ambitious aircraft development program of great promise, with a rather
radical (i.e., widespread participation)development plan, experiencing the
kind of developmental hiccups one should expect at this early stage of the
program. And the sky has not fallen, despite reports to the contrary.

Cheers
John Cook

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opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

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Eurofighter encounters a glitch

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...x.co m&rnum=1


Uhmmm...all you did there was note that one crashed (kind of hard to dance
away from that one), and supposedly why that happened. OTOH, after a few
much more knowledgable folks took you to task over that whole "Typhoons whip
F-15's in spur-of-the-moment-DACM" bit, you continued to stick by that
account.

Latest news is it happened in under 9 seconds, and the radar
recording of the event will be shown at one of the Typhoon displays
at future Airshows, Perhaps you could pop along and gaffaw in the
background.

Now answer my question - Do you have _anything_ useful to add to this
thread regarding the JSF?

An ambitious aircraft development program of great promise, with a rather
radical (i.e., widespread participation)development plan, experiencing the
kind of developmental hiccups one should expect at this early stage of the
program. And the sky has not fallen, despite reports to the contrary.


Thats useful!!! Bloody hell, Thanks a bunch Kevin!, you have finally
lowered my expectations of you to a level at which even you can
perform.

How about trying to stay on topic, If you want to argue, fine, go find
another nutcase and stop bleating about what a fine job everyones
doing in Iraq.

My dad used to say "you have to admire people who's opinions aint
swayed by reality"

Cheers
John Cook

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opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

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More snippets of news....

It looks Like Italy is having the same problem with workshare, and are
very unhappy about it.

They too are reconsidering their participation.


cheers

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:39:20 -0400, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

"John Cook" wrote in message
...

Saying that more Iraqi's are being serviced by the electrical grid
isn't the best example you could give at the moment - Many have seen
the pictures of that Iraqi prisoner hooked up to it ;-).

Not really a laughing matter--and of course, the individuals responsible
were brought up on charges before the press even went public with that
story. A number of personnel facing courts martial, and a fair number of
more senior leaders receiving non-judicial punishment for lesser related
offenses, because a troopie did what he was supposed to do (report
improper/illegal behavior). So the end game looks like a few individuals
screwed up, are facing the consequences, and the US Army met its obligation
to investigate and take punitive action where appropriate--not a bad thing,
IMO.

Do you still feel that this has been handled promptly and properly?

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:39:20 -0400, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

"John Cook" wrote in message
...

Saying that more Iraqi's are being serviced by the electrical grid
isn't the best example you could give at the moment - Many have seen
the pictures of that Iraqi prisoner hooked up to it ;-).

Not really a laughing matter--and of course, the individuals responsible
were brought up on charges before the press even went public with that
story. A number of personnel facing courts martial, and a fair number of
more senior leaders receiving non-judicial punishment for lesser related
offenses, because a troopie did what he was supposed to do (report
improper/illegal behavior). So the end game looks like a few individuals
screwed up, are facing the consequences, and the US Army met its
obligation
to investigate and take punitive action where appropriate--not a bad
thing,
IMO.

Do you still feel that this has been handled promptly and properly?

Look at the timeline--the report of the activities in question was received
by the chain of command on 16 Jan, IIRC, and the CID kicked off its
investigation within three days. Less than four months later the first
indicif-dual is getting ready to face a courts martial. How many *civil*
criminal proceedings do you see take off this quickly?
Sounds pretty prompt to me.

Properly? Sounds like it. CID was involved from the get-go, and the
commander began a 15-6 investigation concurrently. About the same time, the
Army announced that an investigation was underway to the press (not vice
versa). Key leaders in the suspect units were removed from command
immediately. Despite the inept braying of the media (on topics related,
large and small--I just lstened to CNN's Judy Woodruff tell her viewers that
today's editorial in Army Times...will undoubtedly be read by all US
Marines, who read each and every copy...(?!)), the system is working,
promptly and apparently efficiently.

You could toss up the rather general concerns raised by the ICRC last
year...but being as they were concerned with infractions that allegedly
occured the same month we began moving into Iraq, and included such weighty
concerns as keeping prisoners in unlighted cells (when 90 plus percent of
the entire Iraqi population was sililarly without power), I am not sure how
much creedance to give that approach.

Brooks


Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer