GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

"- DefaultUser" wrote:

"Matt Wiser" wrote
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Steve Hix
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"Simon Robbins"
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"Bystander"
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At least America is dealing with it,
and
has admitted it. Many countries
that use torture would never dream of
allowing
these reports.

It's been reported in the UK that the Pentagon's
spent the last two weeks
trying to prevent the public disclosure
of
these photos by the American
media, and apparently succeeded considering
they're only showing them now
since they leaked out from elsewhere.

Did you fail to note that, in addition, they've
been investigating the
issue with the goal of punishing the guilty?
That is something the loony left doesn't
understand. Most militaries
would
never bother investigating the allegations;
the U.S. and Britain do, and
when facts justify, prosecute in the Military
Justice System those
accused.
Let the JAG and CID folks do their jobs, and
see if anyone is reccommended
for a Court-Martial.

Like they did when those U.S. Flyboys ignored
orders and murdered
Canadian troops in Afghanistan?


The flight leader I believe is still in the legal system: He was offered
a deal but didn't take it.

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On 2 May 2004 11:54:33 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52...
"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper?

SHHHH! You'll ruin Dubya's chances of getting reelected if you force
his priests to see the world as it really is!

On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


How Republican of you to point that out. Lets see you stand in the
same 1 foot circle for 48 hours. Lets see you not be allowed to sleep
for 4 days.

It's attitudes like yours that CAUSE terrorist attacks. Hopefully
you'll be in the next building or on the next bridge that gets blown
up. Say hi to Satan for me on your way.

On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:

"Fred the Red Shirt"

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

Not by accepted definitions of torture.

Physical torture doesn't give reliable information anyway.
People will tell you anything to stop the pain.

However, psychological techniques do work very well, though
slower. First, cut people away from their support system and
deprive them of sleep. Always keep them off balance and insecure
about their status, where they are and evn about time.

In the case of "Shame-based" cultures, make people do
"forbidden things" to cut down their psychological defenses. Sound
familiar ? -- remember, Japanese soldiers in WW2 who were captured
even involuntarily tended to be very cooperative. Give captives an
aggressor to identify with. Maybe a little "good cop", bad cop"
thrown in. Eventually, they will be putty....

Before you throw up your hands in horror, what if you
reasonably believe that you can save many lives by this process,
which does no physical harm?

PHP

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On 2 May 2004 11:54:33 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52...
"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they
can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not
condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you
mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper?

SHHHH! You'll ruin Dubya's chances of getting reelected if you force
his priests to see the world as it really is!

Reality escapes you.

-*MORT*-

In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote:


"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ!

Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you.

What makes you think He was mythical? Was Pontius Pilate mythical?

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ!

Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you.

Do you ever read a newspaper?

Yes. That has nothing whatever to do with this, tinman. The claim was
unsupported.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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On 2 May 2004 11:54:33 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52...
"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper?

SHHHH! You'll ruin Dubya's chances of getting reelected if you force
his priests to see the world as it really is!

So, you can't support your claim. No surprise there.

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

Do feel free to support your claim.

That's rotten leadership from the top down.

Two POWs in Afghanistan were beaten to death while in US custody.
The deaths were officially ruled to be homicides. That was two
years ago and the DOD remains silent on the 'investigation'.
There were reports of two other incidents in Afghanistan in which
Civilian Prisoners were beaten by US troops, again, no word from
the Pentagon.

Do feel free to support your claim.


The difference between those incidents and the instant case is
photographs.

If the photographs of My Lai hadn't been published do you really
think Calley would ever have been prosecuted?

Yes.

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of our troops in the field
are good men and women and would not take part in such crimes.

Yup.

Their leaders have let them down by condoning and encouraging
incidents such as these.

Nope. Those responsible will be dealt with. BTW, are you aware of who it was
that set the wheels in motion on this matter?

"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
. com...
"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


How Republican of you to point that out. Lets see you stand in the
same 1 foot circle for 48 hours. Lets see you not be allowed to sleep
for 4 days.

Let's see you support your claim, for a change.