A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Military Aviation
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old May 3rd 04, 01:09 AM
Peter H Proctor
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:

"Fred the Red Shirt"


In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


Physical torture doesn't give reliable information anyway.
People will tell you anything to stop the pain.

However, psychological techniques do work very well, though
slower. First, cut people away from their support system and
deprive them of sleep. Always keep them off balance and insecure
about their status, where they are and evn about time.

In the case of "Shame-based" cultures, make people do
"forbidden things" to cut down their psychological defenses. Sound
familiar ? -- remember, Japanese soldiers in WW2 who were captured
even involuntarily tended to be very cooperative. Give captives an
aggressor to identify with. Maybe a little "good cop", bad cop"
thrown in. Eventually, they will be putty....

Before you throw up your hands in horror, what if you
reasonably believe that you can save many lives by this process,
which does no physical harm?

PHP

  #2  
Old May 3rd 04, 11:25 PM
Fred the Red Shirt
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Peter H Proctor wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:

"Fred the Red Shirt"


In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


Physical torture doesn't give reliable information anyway.
People will tell you anything to stop the pain.

However, psychological techniques do work very well, though
slower.


You make a good argument. But can you show evidence to support it?

Before you throw up your hands in horror, what if you
reasonably believe that you can save many lives by this process,
which does no physical harm?


If so, you have a criminal attitude.

--

FF
  #5  
Old May 4th 04, 09:16 PM
torresD
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Rape Rooms, Torture Rooms are under new management.



  #6  
Old May 4th 04, 09:35 PM
Asmodeus
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"torresD" wrote in news:bSSlc.7143$V97.4572
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Rape Rooms, Torture Rooms are under new management


Your management, no doubt--listening to Air AmeriKKKa would fall
under the torture category, certainly.

--
"It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into
two camps - the wimps and the warriors. The ones who want to argue
and assess and appease, and the ones who want to carry this fight to
our enemies and kill them before they kill us."
--The Hon. Zell Miller
  #7  
Old May 5th 04, 02:45 AM
Yardpilot
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"torresD" wrote in message
ink.net...
Rape Rooms, Torture Rooms are under new management.


Snail **** is more intelligent than you.


  #9  
Old May 5th 04, 09:28 PM
Fred the Red Shirt
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Peter H Proctor wrote in message . ..
On 4 May 2004 12:54:45 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

Peter H Proctor


With the exception of local militia forces rushing to the defense of
their country, any belligerent not in uniform is a "spy" and can be
legally executed in wartime. Psychological stress is sure a lot
less than this..


Certain actions, such as torture and summary execution are crimes
without regard to the choice of victim.


Arguable. But what if "psychological stress" can save innocent
lives ?

No decent person denies this.


Say (e.g) you could have prevented 9/11 by using "psychological
methods" . I know what I woudl have done....


Since it's a hypothetical, more on that later if I find the time.


Summary execution of suspected spies has been outlawed since at

^^^^^^^
least the 1907 Hague Conventions, which you can find online.


The US and the UK were executing "spies" in WW2. Don't recall any
recent cases, but as far as I know, the provision is still there.
BTW, early conventions only appled to "civilized combatants", i.e,
Europeans and maybe the Japanese. "Savage tribes" were free game.


Evidently you are unclear on the concept of summary execution.
'Summary execution' is execution without appropriate prior legal
process. Again, you can find the relevent prohibition in the
1907 Hague conventions online, why didn't you look?

Execution of spies, sabotuers, POWs and civilians are all allowed
under the Geneva conventions. But only after conviction by a
competent court or tribunal. That last is the part you were
neglected to consider. None of the detainees at Guantanamo
have been tried at all, therefore there is no basis within the
context of the 1949 Conventions to deny them POW status.

--

FF
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.