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From: Aerophotos

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If you have trouble handling vietnam ops single seat flying... of any
such F4 setup.... explain how QF-4 drone operations with single pilot
work then too... they have no radar and INS in some cases

Does the word "target" mean anything to you? QFs are simply targets. They may
do some yanking and banking, but there is no pilot on board. You don't need a
GIB for that. The radar is left in for weight since to remove it will seriously
screw up C.G. by making it too tail heavy.


in some cases or how rare F4
missions for flying between bases with single pilots were allowed?..

That's a ferry mission, not a combat op.

Did it ever occur to you your "source" was pulling your leg? For that matter,
will you ever identify him to anyone who can confirm anything he says?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in the
flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational flights
and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as people
anymore the pilots? They only a robot?

As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no crews
on board is wrong i think....


Other issue...

My source is classified sorry my groundie is not willing to go "live
" at this time...

He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity , you know how cia
operations are at times.. shy for coverage...

So your telling me flying a F-4 with no radar over a ho trail is still
and was then impossible to do? eg cant do manuals drops or firing or
weapons?

INS and radar control cant be done by front seater...?

Another part i seems to recall is _maybe_ the source mentioning the
mission crew setup for the pilot was ... "wso controls set up prior
to departure" ... which would remove all the problem of dual crew use..

Now does that seem possible?

Mind you the source has all the personnel and operations effects of
thailand and vietnam operations...i can pull out info referring to
classified flight data for missions over SEA at a fingertip or review
mission criteria no problems. Weapon loads are even available to.

Ive seen them, reviewed them and discussed them with the source... there
is no doubting the info.. plain big bold usaf letterheads, crew names
etc etc etc

Maybe the flying operations this person is talking about that happened
30 odd year ago...its just that like flying thru hell gates.... is only
a experience that few will ever get to experience....

much like bombing Hanoi's Thanh Hoa bridge... not everyone who went
north, went into that hell hole of a target area.





B2431 wrote:

From: Aerophotos

snip

If you have trouble handling vietnam ops single seat flying... of any
such F4 setup.... explain how QF-4 drone operations with single pilot
work then too... they have no radar and INS in some cases

Does the word "target" mean anything to you? QFs are simply targets. They may
do some yanking and banking, but there is no pilot on board. You don't need a
GIB for that. The radar is left in for weight since to remove it will seriously
screw up C.G. by making it too tail heavy.

in some cases or how rare F4
missions for flying between bases with single pilots were allowed?..

That's a ferry mission, not a combat op.

Did it ever occur to you your "source" was pulling your leg? For that matter,
will you ever identify him to anyone who can confirm anything he says?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

--

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in the
flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational flights
and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as people
anymore the pilots? They only a robot?

Strawman, and not a very good one at that. The QF-4 has nothing to do with
your alt-conspiracy-whacko ideas, JGG. The QF-4 was not flying during the
period of your purported black operations in Vietnam, either.



As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no crews
on board is wrong i think....


Other issue...

My source is classified sorry my groundie is not willing to go "live
" at this time...

BWAHAHA! "Classified", eh? Then just how in tarnation did you, a foreign
national, and one no dobt lacking a clearance, find out about this "scoop"?
Idiot.


He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity , you know how cia
operations are at times.. shy for coverage...

Oh, for cryin' out loud...do you *really* believe this crap? And they let
you work on *ejection seats*? What are you, a test dummy?

Brooks

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brook care to note by 1972 USN had QF-4B in service so your WRONG you
may forget bright orange dayglo overall coloured QF-4Bs were in use...
oh guess what same time period as single seater operational flights in
vietnam ... so there you go

just cause i dont make someone public over a issue makes the source a
lie.. so


using your logic George Bush WMD lies are honest then.... cause he didnt
show us the truth either.....or the sources...

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in the
flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational flights
and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as people
anymore the pilots? They only a robot?

Strawman, and not a very good one at that. The QF-4 has nothing to do with
your alt-conspiracy-whacko ideas, JGG. The QF-4 was not flying during the
period of your purported black operations in Vietnam, either.


As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no crews
on board is wrong i think....


Other issue...

My source is classified sorry my groundie is not willing to go "live
" at this time...

BWAHAHA! "Classified", eh? Then just how in tarnation did you, a foreign
national, and one no dobt lacking a clearance, find out about this "scoop"?
Idiot.


He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity , you know how cia
operations are at times.. shy for coverage...

Oh, for cryin' out loud...do you *really* believe this crap? And they let
you work on *ejection seats*? What are you, a test dummy?

Brooks

snip futher irrational/delusional ramblings

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
brook care to note by 1972 USN had QF-4B in service so your WRONG you

They did not make the first QF-4 test flight until late 1971, so how do you
figure it was "in service" in 1972? And BTW, it may have escaped you, but
the QF-4 had all of its weapons systems removed--so how does that figure
into your strange paranoid fantasy of "black F-4's" conducting raids for the
CIA...?

may forget bright orange dayglo overall coloured QF-4Bs were in use...
oh guess what same time period as single seater operational flights in
vietnam ... so there you go

just cause i dont make someone public over a issue makes the source a
lie.. so

Either you are lying or he is--and since your own track record was so bad
that you had to change your moniker from Jolly Green Giant to your current
nom de plume, it could easily go either way...

Do they make you wear a crash helmet when they use you to test those
ejection seats, or do they just figure they can't do much more serious
damage given your current state...?

Brooks



using your logic George Bush WMD lies are honest then.... cause he didnt
show us the truth either.....or the sources...

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in
the
flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational
flights
and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as
people
anymore the pilots? They only a robot?

Strawman, and not a very good one at that. The QF-4 has nothing to do
with
your alt-conspiracy-whacko ideas, JGG. The QF-4 was not flying during
the
period of your purported black operations in Vietnam, either.


As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no
crews
on board is wrong i think....


Other issue...

My source is classified sorry my groundie is not willing to go
"live
" at this time...

BWAHAHA! "Classified", eh? Then just how in tarnation did you, a foreign
national, and one no dobt lacking a clearance, find out about this
"scoop"?
Idiot.


He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity , you know how
cia
operations are at times.. shy for coverage...

Oh, for cryin' out loud...do you *really* believe this crap? And they
let
you work on *ejection seats*? What are you, a test dummy?

Brooks

snip futher irrational/delusional ramblings