Whose War? Patrick J. Buchanan - The American Conservative

"Chas" wrote in message
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"George Z. Bush" wrote
I gather that you think the world's 3 billion some odd Christians all
speak with
one voice, since you apparently expect the Moslem world to behave that
way.

If a basic tenet of Christianity commanded us to go conquer the world,
require everyone to Submit to our Religion and Recite an Oath to our god,
one might well worry about what voice was being heard.

You seem to be inferring that that is true of the Koran, and that each of its
1.6 billion adherants interprets every tenet identically. From what I have read
of how Muslims address that point, they claim it is not true. Now, if you think
they're all lying and trying to hoodwink you, you might want to consider how to
deal with your paranoia problem.

If
you really think the world is that way, I'm not going to bother taking
exception. I don't have enough time left in my life to fritter it away on
projects of that magnitude.

It doesn't even matter whether you are tolerant of them or not, because
they're not tolerant of you.
They *hope* you're 'fair'; just makes you that much more vulnerable.
They hope you're reticent to fight; makes conquering you that much easier.
They hope you're divided amongst yourselves; fragmenting makes you easier to
kill.
They hope you abide by your own Geneva Convention- they aren't bound by it
at all.
If you want to see the Muslims as they are, look at East Africa.

What they hope, as translated by you, is immaterial. Since you're not even
qualified to speak for us, you're hardly qualified to speak for them. Muslims
world-wide are no more of one voice regarding their religion than Christians
are.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote
You seem to be inferring that that is true of the Koran, and that each of
its
1.6 billion adherants interprets every tenet identically.

there is no doubt that the basic tenet is; Submit & Recite.
And an identical interpretation by every single muslim, past and present,
public and private, on the record and off, here and there, then and now,
just isn't necessary to make the point.

From what I have read
of how Muslims address that point, they claim it is not true.

They have conquered in it's command for 1300 years, starting with Mohammed
and his Companions.

Now, if you think
they're all lying and trying to hoodwink you, you might want to consider
how to
deal with your paranoia problem.

It's not 'paranoia' when they kill you by the thousands and tell you why.

What they hope, as translated by you, is immaterial. Since you're not
even
qualified to speak for us, you're hardly qualified to speak for them.
Muslims
world-wide are no more of one voice regarding their religion than
Christians
are.

But Muslims are also enjoined to take the part of any muslim over any dhimmi
or infidel for any reason. That's why you don't see any opposition to the
terrs, and damned little condemnation.

Chas

Chas wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote
You seem to be inferring that that is true of the Koran, and that each of its
1.6 billion adherants interprets every tenet identically.

there is no doubt that the basic tenet is; Submit & Recite.

Of course there's a doubt. When some Muslims publicly say that they don't
subscribe to that interpretation, then there is a doubt.....at least in my mind,
if not yours.

.....And an identical interpretation by every single muslim, past and present,
public and private, on the record and off, here and there, then and now,
just isn't necessary to make the point.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to not share it, and don't.

From what I have read
of how Muslims address that point, they claim it is not true.

They have conquered in it's command for 1300 years, starting with Mohammed
and his Companions.

Translate into a coherent English sentence, please.

Now, if you think
they're all lying and trying to hoodwink you, you might want to consider how
to deal with your paranoia problem.

It's not 'paranoia' when they kill you by the thousands and tell you why.

We are talking about three billion Christians (that's with a "B") and 1.6
billion Muslims (also with a "B") and you see thousands of deaths as a cause of
a new Crusade? Sorry, but leave me out of that kind of thinking.

What they hope, as translated by you, is immaterial. Since you're not even
qualified to speak for us, you're hardly qualified to speak for them. Muslims
world-wide are no more of one voice regarding their religion than Christians
are.

But Muslims are also enjoined to take the part of any muslim over any dhimmi
or infidel for any reason. That's why you don't see any opposition to the
terrs, and damned little condemnation.

I'm so happy that, by reducing a complex problem down to a simple sentence,
you've managed to make fools of serious scholars who conclude otherwise. Must
make you feel good about yourself and how smart you are.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote
there is no doubt that the basic tenet is; Submit & Recite.
Of course there's a doubt. When some Muslims publicly say that they don't
subscribe to that interpretation, then there is a doubt.....at least in my
mind,
if not yours.

Cite please.
An assertion that muslims don't adhere to the command to Submit & Recite is
just silly. The commands that flow from that basic tenet are debatable only
insofar as the extent to which it is forced, not *that* it is forced.

.....And an identical interpretation by every single muslim, past and
present,
public and private, on the record and off, here and there, then and now,
just isn't necessary to make the point.
You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to not share it, and
don't.

Sure- you seem to enjoy rather a passive ignorance as a change from a more
aggressively ignorant posture- rather a Renaissance man, ignorance-wise.

They have conquered in it's command for 1300 years, starting with
Mohammed
and his Companions.
Translate into a coherent English sentence, please.

Which word confuses you?
Mohammed was a raider and a bandit; worked with a criminal gang called the
'Companions', attacking caravans and later invading towns and camps all
across the Arabian Peninsula. The Companions became the rulers of the
conquered lands.
Do you have any knowledge of the history of Islam at all?

We are talking about three billion Christians (that's with a "B") and 1.6
billion Muslims (also with a "B") and you see thousands of deaths as a
cause of
a new Crusade? Sorry, but leave me out of that kind of thinking.

You do remember that the Crusades were to take back our Holy Land from the
invaders, don't you? You remember that all but two of the Crusades were
non-military, and that the Muslims killed whom they didn't enslave? You do
remember that we've had to fight them as far North as Vienna, don't you?
does the name 'Bosnian Turk' ring any bells with you?

I'm so happy that, by reducing a complex problem down to a simple
sentence,
you've managed to make fools of serious scholars who conclude otherwise.
Must
make you feel good about yourself and how smart you are.

Please feel free to post a refutation; oh, and concrete examples might be
nice too.

Chas

"Chas" wrote in message
...
"George Z. Bush" wrote
there is no doubt that the basic tenet is; Submit & Recite.
Of course there's a doubt. When some Muslims publicly say that they don't
subscribe to that interpretation, then there is a doubt.....at least in my
mind,
if not yours.

Cite please.
An assertion that muslims don't adhere to the command to Submit & Recite is
just silly. The commands that flow from that basic tenet are debatable only
insofar as the extent to which it is forced, not *that* it is forced.

.....And an identical interpretation by every single muslim, past and
present,
public and private, on the record and off, here and there, then and now,
just isn't necessary to make the point.
You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to not share it, and
don't.

Sure- you seem to enjoy rather a passive ignorance as a change from a more
aggressively ignorant posture- rather a Renaissance man, ignorance-wise.

They have conquered in it's command for 1300 years, starting with
Mohammed
and his Companions.
Translate into a coherent English sentence, please.

Which word confuses you?
Mohammed was a raider and a bandit; worked with a criminal gang called the
'Companions', attacking caravans and later invading towns and camps all
across the Arabian Peninsula. The Companions became the rulers of the
conquered lands.
Do you have any knowledge of the history of Islam at all?

We are talking about three billion Christians (that's with a "B") and 1.6
billion Muslims (also with a "B") and you see thousands of deaths as a
cause of
a new Crusade? Sorry, but leave me out of that kind of thinking.

You do remember that the Crusades were to take back our Holy Land from the
invaders, don't you? You remember that all but two of the Crusades were
non-military, and that the Muslims killed whom they didn't enslave? You do
remember that we've had to fight them as far North as Vienna, don't you?
does the name 'Bosnian Turk' ring any bells with you?

I'm so happy that, by reducing a complex problem down to a simple
sentence,
you've managed to make fools of serious scholars who conclude otherwise.
Must
make you feel good about yourself and how smart you are.

Please feel free to post a refutation; oh, and concrete examples might be
nice too.

No deal --- my jack hammer just broke down, and I can't make any progress
without it. You can have the last word....I'm done with this.

George Z.