Glider pilot rolls inverted and exits at 1400 feet AGL

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:46:39 AM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:33:49 -0700, Ramy wrote:



An amazing photo of the bailout just emerged:

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Hunt...t-Neots/Pilot-

pictured-baling-out-after-mid-air-crash-near-St-Neots-20140731101407.htm



That's a different bailout.





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martin@ | Martin Gregorie

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Did either of those gliders have FLARM?

Craig

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:36:05 -0700, Craig Funston wrote:

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:46:39 AM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:33:49 -0700, Ramy wrote:



An amazing photo of the bailout just emerged:

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Hunt...t-Neots/Pilot-

pictured-baling-out-after-mid-air-crash-near-St-
Neots-20140731101407.htm



That's a different bailout.

Did either of those gliders have FLARM?

Apparently neither of the gliders near Portmoak did (see earlier msg from
John Galloway). I haven't heard anything about the Cambridgeshire
collision apart from that it happened and that in both cases there was an
inverted bailout.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
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Even more amazing and spooky if two nearly identical bailouts happened recently with similar results. It really bags the question about flarm in both midairs.

Ramy

I survived a midair unhurt in 2003; I was very lucky in several ways. The other glider took my tail off. My canopy broke off in the impact, and the glider bunted so that I was hanging by the straps in the open air.

I was very aware of the UK comp pilot fatality mentioned above when after a midair at 2,500 feet the tailpane fell off at 500 feet (my memory of an eyewitness account) and I had always worried about how to decide whether to jump out. I still do worry about it! When I had my midair, one of my first thoughts was 'at least in this case there is no doubt about whether I need to parachute'!

I only had to undo my straps and I fell out. I had a nasty cut on my ankle presumably because I did not think about drawing up my legs before undoing my straps but was otherwise completely unhurt (and the other guy, a friend, also parachuted and was also unhurt).

Noah sounds good - but I have only ever heard of it on the DG website.

For what it's worth there have been 3 midairs resulting in bailouts in the
UK
since May. Two of them within about 5nm but 10 weeks apart (and not
originating at the same club), the other ~ 300nm away about 8 weeks after
the first)

As far as I know there were two FLARMS in the first, none in the second and

at least one in the latest.

Lookout remains the number one tool in our attempt to avoid hitting each
other, FLARM is a beneficial aid and I personally like it, but we must
know
how it works and how to interpret what it is telling us without forgetting
the
first bit.

It's your choice (or the choice is forced upon you) on what to do when it
happens but as I brief any P2s during my pre flight "when we have a midair

this is what I'm going to do, I suggest you join me"

GG


At 20:36 31 July 2014, Ramy wrote:
Even more amazing and spooky if two nearly identical bailouts happened
recently with similar results. It really bags the question about flarm in
both midairs.

Ramy

As Allen Silver says, it's CBB:

Canopy
Belts
Butts

and then call the ground for SILK1 arrival.

True story - that was my Cirrus. Pilot undid harness.

Nick

On Tuesday, 29 July 2014 22:25:22 UTC+9:30, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 00:40:36 -0700, cat.jardini wrote:



wouldn't your glider pitch up and whack you after you released the

stick?



Not necessarily. IIRC there was a case in Australia some years back when

a Std Cirrus bunted violently from level flight, throwing the pilot out

through the canopy. He parachuted down while the glider flew, inverted,

in circles round him all the way down and eventually landed some 10-20

metres away.





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martin@ | Martin Gregorie

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a Std Cirrus bunted violently from level flight, throwing the pilot out



through the canopy.

I'm not familiar with the term "bunted". What exactly does this mean?

Thanks.

On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:51:18 -0700, javelin77 wrote:

a Std Cirrus bunted violently from level flight, throwing the pilot
out



through the canopy.

I'm not familiar with the term "bunted". What exactly does this mean?

Flying part of an outside loop, typically starting from a climbing or
level flight. IOW if you've come fast through strong sink, suddenly hit
strong lift and zoom climb into it, you could describe the push-over to
gliding attitude at thermalling speed as a bunt.

From the Free dictionary: (Aeronautics) to cause (an aircraft) to fly in
part of an inverted loop or (of an aircraft) to fly in such a loop


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
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On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:33:49 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
An amazing photo of the bailout just emerged:

9 additional images released:

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News...0801122015.htm