GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

"Fred the Red Shirt"
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

From the source you provide:

A month later, General Karpinski was formally admonished
and quietly suspended, and a major investigation into the
Army's prison system, authorized by Lieutenant General
Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, was
under way. A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New
Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not
meant for public release, was completed in late February.

Sounds like a coverup to me.

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Taguba reported that Karpinski was cut off from
sections of her command, she was not allowed to
enter areas of her own command.
Something really stinks.

The New Yorker is a reputable magazine, with an excellent reputation.
Look it up on GOOGLE.

"Dave @hotmail.com" dlzwickyremovethis wrote in message
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Isn't the New Yorker that paper that had writers making up stuff to sell
papers couple months ago? Doesn't sound like a very reliable source.



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"Fred the Red Shirt"
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

From the source you provide:

A month later, General Karpinski was formally admonished
and quietly suspended, and a major investigation into the
Army's prison system, authorized by Lieutenant General
Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, was
under way. A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New
Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not
meant for public release, was completed in late February.

Sounds like a coverup to me.

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Taguba reported that Karpinski was cut off from
sections of her command, she was not allowed to
enter areas of her own command.
Something really stinks.

Isn't the New Yorker that paper that had writers making up stuff to sell
papers couple months ago? Doesn't sound like a very reliable source.



"torresD" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt"
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

From the source you provide:

A month later, General Karpinski was formally admonished
and quietly suspended, and a major investigation into the
Army's prison system, authorized by Lieutenant General
Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, was
under way. A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New
Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not
meant for public release, was completed in late February.

Sounds like a coverup to me.

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Taguba reported that Karpinski was cut off from
sections of her command, she was not allowed to
enter areas of her own command.
Something really stinks.

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt"
BTW, are you aware of who it was
that set the wheels in motion on this matter?
Yes, the anonymous sources who released the photos, just like My Lai.
The wheels were going in circles befor that.

No, "Fred," that is not the case.
the wheels were set rolling by
a report from a soldier.

Free free to prove your assertion.

This from "fred" who yaps about other people not reading the papers.
Look up the name "Specialist Joseph M. Darby."

He set the ball rolling on this.

Free free to prove your assertion that anything other than a
coverup was in progress prior to the publication of the photos.

I just did, dip****. Feel free to be stomped into the dirt again like
you
have
been in every thread here.

To the contrary, you presented no evidence that Specialist
Joseph M. Darby even exists.


Specialist Joseph M. Darby from Somerset,Pennsylvania
High School Teacher, employer, he was working at Wendy's
to help his family, his neighbors were interviewed.
The pastor of his church was interviewed.

His teacher said, that when Darby was right,
he would not back down, but was always respectful.

All interviewed describe Darby as a super straight arrow,
with a strong sense of right and wrong.

Joseph Darby, was praised by Senator Warner,
of the Senated Armed Services Committee today,
as a "Fine American" trusting in American values
and knowing when something was wrong.

Look it up, on CSPAN.

It's all over the place.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

From the source you provide:

A month later, General Karpinski was formally admonished
and quietly suspended, and a major investigation into the
Army's prison system, authorized by Lieutenant General
Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, was
under way. A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New
Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not
meant for public release, was completed in late February.

Sounds like a coverup to me.

In your dreams.

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:74ooc.33144$536.6041503@attbi_s03...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

From the source you provide:

A month later, General Karpinski was formally admonished
and quietly suspended, and a major investigation into the
Army's prison system, authorized by Lieutenant General
Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, was
under way. A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New
Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not
meant for public release, was completed in late February.

Sounds like a coverup to me.

In your dreams.

The guest today on the Diane Rnem show was Senator John McCain,
a man who knows about the abuse of prisoners. The first thing
Ms Rhem asked him was if he had ever recieved an answer from
Rumsfeld and the DOD to his question about the chain of
command at Abu Graib. He replied that he had received the chart
which the witnesses had neglected (his choice of words) to bring
to the hearing but that chart did not clarify the issue and he
STILL had not received an answer as to hwo the chain of command
was organised at Abu Graib.

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"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:Ke5mc.27287$TD4.3869849@attbi_s01...
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"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 01:43:36 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:
SHHHH! You'll ruin Dubya's chances of getting reelected if you force
his priests to see the world as it really is!

So, you can't support your claim. No surprise there.


You seem to be hung up

You seem to be unable to support claims made.

See:

Message-ID:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=158a3325.0405111700.190750f9%40posting .google.com&output=gplain

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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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I've removed rec.aviation.military, and talk.politics.guns
from the distribution list in my reply as this thread was
inapproriate to both.

I post this to rec.aviation.military, talk.politics.guns so
interested parties (both of them are welcome) can follow it
in the other groups.

"fred" admits he got trounced.

If you keep this up folks will accuse me of having made
you up to be my personal straw man.

Evidently you don't understand the term "strawman" any better than you
understand words like "logic" and truth. You have failed to answer on point. You
have attempted to spin and lie about what others say. You are now evading.


"The comment was, "America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured." There was NO support for that
claim, and you know it."

See:

Message-ID:

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Message-ID:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ef427f7c.0405051245.5ef79a22%40posting .google.com&output=gplain

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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

From the source you provide:

A month later, General Karpinski was formally admonished
and quietly suspended, and a major investigation into the
Army's prison system, authorized by Lieutenant General
Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, was
under way. A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New
Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not
meant for public release, was completed in late February.

Sounds like a coverup to me.

In your dreams.

The guest today on the Diane Rnem show was Senator John McCain,
a man who knows about the abuse of prisoners. The first thing
Ms Rhem asked him was if he had ever recieved an answer from
Rumsfeld and the DOD to his question about the chain of
command at Abu Graib. He replied that he had received the chart
which the witnesses had neglected (his choice of words) to bring
to the hearing but that chart did not clarify the issue and he
STILL had not received an answer as to hwo the chain of command
was organised at Abu Graib.

That doesn't support your claim. In fact, it is laughably off-point.

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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I've removed rec.aviation.military, and talk.politics.guns
from the distribution list in my reply as this thread was
inapproriate to both.

I post this to rec.aviation.military, talk.politics.guns so
interested parties (both of them are welcome) can follow it
in the other groups.

"fred" admits he got trounced.

If you keep this up folks will accuse me of having made
you up to be my personal straw man.

Evidently you don't understand the term "strawman" any better than you
understand words like "logic" and truth. You have failed to answer on point.
You
have attempted to spin and lie about what others say. You are now evading.


"The comment was, "America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured." There was NO support for that
claim, and you know it."

See:

Try to focus on the matter actually at hand, if you can.

The comment was, "America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured." There was NO support for that
claim, and you know it.

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:ZbUoc.43814$z06.6397144@attbi_s01...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"The comment was, "America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured." There was NO support for that
claim, and you know it."

See:

Message-ID:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ef427f7c.0405061427.1573d4f%40posting. google.com&output=gplain

Message-ID:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ef427f7c.0405051245.5ef79a22%40posting .google.com&output=gplain

Message-ID:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=158a3325.0405111700.190750f9%40posting .google.com&output=gplain

"YardBird" lied in message
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Try to focus on the matter actually at hand, if you can.

The comment was, "America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured." There was NO support for that
claim, and you know it.



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