iPhone 6 Plus and iGlide

You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...

Dan


I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think that
doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...

On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide. Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task". That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone. With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight. Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there. These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer! ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta
On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.

--
Dan Marotta

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight.... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 12:30:46 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

I am waiting for the apple watch,review with Iglide PRO. The Gold vs Platinum model.

Why not voice commands? I know Android has it and I've no doubt the
i-devices do, too. Too much background noise while flying so fast? I
know that speech to text messages can sometimes have hilarious results.

On 4/1/2015 1:30 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide. Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task". That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone. With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight. Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there. These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer! ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta


Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)
You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

--
Dan Marotta

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Why not voice commands?* I know Android has it and I've no doubt the
i-devices do, too.* Too much background noise while flying so fast?*
I know that speech to text messages can sometimes have hilarious
results.




On 4/1/2015 1:30 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:


On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:


You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight.... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)


You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.





--

Dan Marotta

"Siri, how much climb to I need to clear that ridge?"

"There are three places to dine near that bridge"

"Siri, what is the headwind?"

"There are no Beduins. Would you like me to Google that for you?"

"Siri, can you call for a tow plane?"

"There is a tarpaulin store near you. Do you want me to call?"

Etc.

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Why not voice commands?* I know Android has it and I've no doubt the
i-devices do, too.* Too much background noise while flying so fast?*
I know that speech to text messages can sometimes have hilarious
results.




On 4/1/2015 1:30 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:


On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:


You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)


You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.





--

Dan Marotta

"Siri, how much climb to I need to clear that ridge?"

"There are three places to dine near that bridge"

"Siri, what is the headwind?"

"There are no Beduins. Would you like me to Google that for you?"

"Siri, can you call for a tow plane?"

"There is a tarpaulin store near you. Do you want me to call?"

Etc.

well played sir

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

I don't sell 'em, but I do support 'em.

I had a Streak 5 before, and it remains a thoroughly beautiful device with several significant problems, one of which is the hair trigger touch screen.. But even with some theoretical ideal touch screen, you still need to look very closely to place your finger just so. Precision hand/eye coordination in the cockpit is an enormous distraction and *anyone* flies better without having to do that. The XCS interface (circa 2012 for me, but I don't think it's changed a great deal since) contributed a bit to my frustration here -- it was stupidly easy to mishandle the touchscreen thus creating the need to back and do over (often making yet another error...). iGlide does sound intriguing... but without a really good-for-the-cockpit device to run it on, it's hard to get interested.

best,

Evan (affiliated with CNi but above are my opinions)

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 5:43:02 PM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain.. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

I don't sell 'em, but I do support 'em.

I had a Streak 5 before, and it remains a thoroughly beautiful device with several significant problems, one of which is the hair trigger touch screen. But even with some theoretical ideal touch screen, you still need to look very closely to place your finger just so. Precision hand/eye coordination in the cockpit is an enormous distraction and *anyone* flies better without having to do that. The XCS interface (circa 2012 for me, but I don't think it's changed a great deal since) contributed a bit to my frustration here -- it was stupidly easy to mishandle the touchscreen thus creating the need to back and do over (often making yet another error...). iGlide does sound intriguing... but without a really good-for-the-cockpit device to run it on, it's hard to get interested.

best,

Evan (affiliated with CNi but above are my opinions)

The design of the XCSoar touch interface is not very good in my opinion either. It is verbose and very modal. But better than SYM, which in addition has tiny little buttons for some things that nearly require the use of a stylus in a quiet room.

No single system will please everyone. It's good to have a choice. My original post was mainly meant for those who were interested in iGlide, but wondering if the larger iPhone would make a substantial difference in usability.. I will say the an iPhone 6 Plus is a much-better-for-the-cockpit device than was the 5s. For normal flight iGlide requires no more hand eye coordination than any of the other cockpit instruments.