Chukar's own account

This came from the SoarNV mailing list:

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On Easter Sunday, Bob Spielman, known as Chukar, was caught in clouds on a very lively wave day and had to bail out of his wingless glider. He visited us today. He is in good spirits and flying once again. He has his 1-26 and his Sparrow Hawk to keep him in the sky.

This is his first person account of what happened, reprinted here with his permission.

Oh, and we now call him Lucky Chukar.

Here is his account:



to my friends
i was going to fly my biggest flight in my ASW 27 today, aiming for 12 hours. i took off at minden at 7:30
and went north to Stead and turned back for clouds ad flew south to Mammoth and then went north almost to Susanville.
it was slow and as i was passing over Reno i went between 2 clouds which filled in suddenly. I should have had a neat attitude indicater like Gordo has and i tried to fly my Garmin but it was so rough that things went to hell in a hurry.
I was IFR at 14000' and i felt a stall and then the airspeed increased fast thru 160k and i heard 2 pops and the canopy broke
i shortly came out the bottom of the clouds in a spin at maybe 9-10000' and tried to break the spin but it didn't work and i looked and saw the left wing wasn't there so i knew that wouldn't work.
I unlocked the emerg canopy release, open my harness and went over the side.. i saw stuff flying thru the air (2 nanos,handheld radio. lunch etc) and couln't find my ripcord and thought it was gone but looked lower and found it and pulled it and it wasn't a very long ride down and i saw the glider fuselage going down below me.
i thought i was going to land on the CIRCUS CIRCUS roof but missed it an then i landed on the st mary hospital
roof but hoped my chute would snag the light pole. i hit the light and the chute snagged it and i ended up 10'
in the air. a reno cop pushed up on my feet so i could release my chute and slide down the pole.
HOW LUCKY I WAS.

I didn't go to the hospital but my son and daughter in law doctor told me i had to and they found a broken collar bone
and my right lung was collapsed so they had that fixed in an hour by 2 doctors who are in our air guard hospital.

i lost my phone so no service.

LUCKY CHUKAR
that ASW 27 was a beautiful glider.

On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 13:52:42 UTC+1, Bob Pasker wrote:
This came from the SoarNV mailing list:

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On Easter Sunday, Bob Spielman, known as Chukar, was caught in clouds on a very lively wave day and had to bail out of his wingless glider. He visited us today. He is in good spirits and flying once again. He has his 1-26 and his Sparrow Hawk to keep him in the sky.

This is his first person account of what happened, reprinted here with his permission.

Oh, and we now call him Lucky Chukar.

Here is his account:



to my friends
i was going to fly my biggest flight in my ASW 27 today, aiming for 12 hours. i took off at minden at 7:30
and went north to Stead and turned back for clouds ad flew south to Mammoth and then went north almost to Susanville.
it was slow and as i was passing over Reno i went between 2 clouds which filled in suddenly. I should have had a neat attitude indicater like Gordo has and i tried to fly my Garmin but it was so rough that things went to hell in a hurry.
I was IFR at 14000' and i felt a stall and then the airspeed increased fast thru 160k and i heard 2 pops and the canopy broke
i shortly came out the bottom of the clouds in a spin at maybe 9-10000' and tried to break the spin but it didn't work and i looked and saw the left wing wasn't there so i knew that wouldn't work.
I unlocked the emerg canopy release, open my harness and went over the side. i saw stuff flying thru the air (2 nanos,handheld radio. lunch etc) and couln't find my ripcord and thought it was gone but looked lower and found it and pulled it and it wasn't a very long ride down and i saw the glider fuselage going down below me.
i thought i was going to land on the CIRCUS CIRCUS roof but missed it an then i landed on the st mary hospital
roof but hoped my chute would snag the light pole. i hit the light and the chute snagged it and i ended up 10'
in the air. a reno cop pushed up on my feet so i could release my chute and slide down the pole.
HOW LUCKY I WAS.

I didn't go to the hospital but my son and daughter in law doctor told me i had to and they found a broken collar bone
and my right lung was collapsed so they had that fixed in an hour by 2 doctors who are in our air guard hospital.

i lost my phone so no service.

LUCKY CHUKAR
that ASW 27 was a beautiful glider.



Perhaps a relief that he does not mention opening the airbrakes, and finding that this did not save him (no mention of what he did between entering cloud and speed getting to 160k). I think the collective wisdom here has been that if you lose visual references and don't have instrument flying instruments which you trust, you should be pretty quick to open the airbrakes before the speed gets high. I was one who voted for in trim, hands and feet off, brakes open. I would pray that airspeed did not exceed positive flap limiting speed, otherwise I would be faced with a difficult decision on flap setting.

I would throw out everything you have got and DON'T LET GO OF THE STICK. The plane's stick free pitch stability is MUCH worse than its stick fixed stability. When you let go, you are a passenger, accepting whatever the upset brings you. Stay active, and aware of what is happening, and you have a chance. Even if Active is just holding the stick in one position. As to exceeding flaps down limit speed, I would rather have the drag and hope that it hangs together than not have the drag and be pretty well assured that it won't. If you have lost sight of the ground, drag is your friend and speed kills.

But, that is just me.

Steve Leonard

On Thursday, 23 April 2015 04:52:26 UTC+3, Steve Leonard wrote:
I would throw out everything you have got and DON'T LET GO OF THE STICK. The plane's stick free pitch stability is MUCH worse than its stick fixed stability. When you let go, you are a passenger, accepting whatever the upset brings you. Stay active, and aware of what is happening, and you have a chance. Even if Active is just holding the stick in one position.



Where does this "let go of the stick" comes from? Never seen it in any glider flight manual. Is there some magical airplane that does right control inputs to get you out of trouble?

Yes, it is called benign spiral...

Ramy

Le jeudi 23 avril 2015 10:19:49 UTC+2, Ramy a écrit*:
Yes, it is called benign spiral...

Ramy

I think that the benign spiral is an urban myth when it comes to flying in a convective cloud, or descending through a cloud layer into a rotor.

The only excuse to let go of the controls is that you are busy to bail out.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 23:51:24 -0700, krasw wrote:

Where does this "let go of the stick" comes from? Never seen it in any
glider flight manual. Is there some magical airplane that does right
control inputs to get you out of trouble?

As I said in another thread, our (BGA-approved) cloud flying course says
to open the brakes and then use your hands and feet to hold rudder and
stick central - exactly the opposite of 'letting go of the stick'.

Mark: Chukar does say that he felt a stall and then the speed increased
rapidly to 160kts.


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At 06:51 23 April 2015, krasw wrote:
On Thursday, 23 April 2015 04:52:26 UTC+3, Steve Leonard wrote:

Where does this "let go of the stick" comes from? Never seen it in any
glider flight manual. Is there some magical airplane that does right
control in puts to get you out of trouble?


The Hands-off Beggs/Mueller Emergency Spin Recovery Procedure
http://spirit.eaa.org/intheloop/arti...n_recovery.asp

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:21:49 +0000, Jock Proudfoot wrote:

At 06:51 23 April 2015, krasw wrote:
On Thursday, 23 April 2015 04:52:26 UTC+3, Steve Leonard wrote:

Where does this "let go of the stick" comes from? Never seen it in any
glider flight manual. Is there some magical airplane that does right
control in puts to get you out of trouble?


The Hands-off Beggs/Mueller Emergency Spin Recovery Procedure
http://spirit.eaa.org/intheloop/arti...n_recovery.asp

Interesting read. I wondered what Wolfgang Langweische had the say on the
subject (pages 342-345 in my copy). He's not as prescriptive but I think
his explanation and analysis is better.

Of course the answer is good pre-solo spin training and mandatory annual
spin checks at the start of each season: no spin checks, no fly. If you
or your club does winch launches, add a couple of launch failures to the
spin checks: the CFI can pull the bung himself or arrange for the winch
driver to simulate a power failure at an agreed altitude.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

torstai 23. huhtikuuta 2015 15.30.04 UTC+3 Jock Proudfoot kirjoitti:
At 06:51 23 April 2015, krasw wrote:
On Thursday, 23 April 2015 04:52:26 UTC+3, Steve Leonard wrote:

Where does this "let go of the stick" comes from? Never seen it in any
glider flight manual. Is there some magical airplane that does right
control in puts to get you out of trouble?


The Hands-off Beggs/Mueller Emergency Spin Recovery Procedure
http://spirit.eaa.org/intheloop/arti...n_recovery.asp

Thanks for interesting link. Trick calls for exact rudder input from the pilot, which is impossible in imc without gyros. And to extrapolate this to cover all gliders sounds like a major leap of faith. Paradoxically, stable spin would be safe way to get out of the cloud without instruments. But I'm not advocating that, most gliders will spin for a while and then go into spiral until things start to break apart.