IOS App for Skylines?

On Sunday, 3 May 2015 16:02:53 UTC+2, Karl Kunz wrote:
Since the XCsoar site sends Android users to Google Play to get the software, why do they have a problem with the AppStore. This is just the way that programs are installed on these devices(iOS) and it seems that XCsoar is being MORE restrictive by not allowing one operating system access to an "open source" app.

The GPL License is incompatible with many application-distribution-systems, like the Mac App Store, and certain other software distribution platforms (on smartphones as well as PCs). The problem lies in the right "To make a copy for your neighbour", as this right is violated by the integrated DRM-Systems made to prevent copying of paid software.

The reason that the Mac App Store (and similar projects) is incompatible with GPL-licensed apps is not inherent in the concept of an app store, but is rather specifically due to Apple's terms-of-use requirement[105] that all apps in the store utilize Apple DRM-restrictions.

More details at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Gen...o_app_st ores

I fail to see how XCSoar is being "more" restrictive when Apple is the one throwing the spanner in the works due to their draconian licensing regime.
You're free to download XCSoar source code and port/cross compile it for iOS if you want to.

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 8:29:37 AM UTC+3, Surge wrote:
The GPL License is incompatible with many application-distribution-systems, like the Mac App Store, and certain other software distribution platforms (on smartphones as well as PCs). The problem lies in the right "To make a copy for your neighbour", as this right is violated by the integrated DRM-Systems made to prevent copying of paid software.

That may be the FSF's line, but it is not correct.

Nothing restricts you from putting your app in the Mac App Store and also distributing it in other ways (e.g. from your own web site) without DRM. Many apps do this e.g. BBEdit

Nothing restricts you from making the source code of a Mac App Store app available, which also preserves the "free as in speech" demands of the GPL. Anyone is free to get a developer subscription and xCode and compile the source code themselves. (applies also to iOS app store).

Indeed.

Well, then, why doesn't someone who's a competent programmer and who
likes Apple products just do it?

On 5/4/2015 3:42 AM, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 8:29:37 AM UTC+3, Surge wrote:
The GPL License is incompatible with many application-distribution-systems, like the Mac App Store, and certain other software distribution platforms (on smartphones as well as PCs). The problem lies in the right "To make a copy for your neighbour", as this right is violated by the integrated DRM-Systems made to prevent copying of paid software.
That may be the FSF's line, but it is not correct.

Nothing restricts you from putting your app in the Mac App Store and also distributing it in other ways (e.g. from your own web site) without DRM. Many apps do this e.g. BBEdit

Nothing restricts you from making the source code of a Mac App Store app available, which also preserves the "free as in speech" demands of the GPL. Anyone is free to get a developer subscription and xCode and compile the source code themselves. (applies also to iOS app store).

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Dan Marotta

The problem with the iOS devices is there is not a good daylight readable option.


On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 7:34:51 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well, then, why doesn't someone who's a competent programmer and who
likes Apple products just do it?




On 5/4/2015 3:42 AM, Bruce Hoult wrote:



On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 8:29:37 AM UTC+3, Surge wrote:


The GPL License is incompatible with many application-distribution-systems, like the Mac App Store, and certain other software distribution platforms (on smartphones as well as PCs). The problem lies in the right "To make a copy for your neighbour", as this right is violated by the integrated DRM-Systems made to prevent copying of paid software.


That may be the FSF's line, but it is not correct.

Nothing restricts you from putting your app in the Mac App Store and also distributing it in other ways (e.g. from your own web site) without DRM. Many apps do this e.g. BBEdit

Nothing restricts you from making the source code of a Mac App Store app available, which also preserves the "free as in speech" demands of the GPL. Anyone is free to get a developer subscription and xCode and compile the source code themselves. (applies also to iOS app store).





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Dan Marotta

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 8:38:19 AM UTC-7, Karl Kunz wrote:
The problem with the iOS devices is there is not a good daylight readable option.


On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 7:34:51 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well, then, why doesn't someone who's a competent programmer and who
likes Apple products just do it?




On 5/4/2015 3:42 AM, Bruce Hoult wrote:



On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 8:29:37 AM UTC+3, Surge wrote:


The GPL License is incompatible with many application-distribution-systems, like the Mac App Store, and certain other software distribution platforms (on smartphones as well as PCs). The problem lies in the right "To make a copy for your neighbour", as this right is violated by the integrated DRM-Systems made to prevent copying of paid software.


That may be the FSF's line, but it is not correct.

Nothing restricts you from putting your app in the Mac App Store and also distributing it in other ways (e.g. from your own web site) without DRM. Many apps do this e.g. BBEdit

Nothing restricts you from making the source code of a Mac App Store app available, which also preserves the "free as in speech" demands of the GPL. Anyone is free to get a developer subscription and xCode and compile the source code themselves. (applies also to iOS app store).





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Dan Marotta

Actually I find the iPhone 6+ to be more readable than an Oudie/Avier/V2 in any light at any angle. I own both.

Same here. iPhone 6 and the Galaxy Note 4 are far, far (the two smartphones that I use), better than the now ancient Oudie in literally every conceivable form of measure other than raw brightness. Thee difference in total brightness is very small now with the latest smartphones. SeeYou is so outdated that its almost comical. It truly pains me to use an Oudie when the far better devices are in the pocket of my glider (still illegal to use them in the USA although that might be evolving soon...).

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 7:36:50 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
Same here. iPhone 6 and the Galaxy Note 4 are far, far (the two smartphones that I use), better than the now ancient Oudie in literally every conceivable form of measure other than raw brightness. Thee difference in total brightness is very small now with the latest smartphones. SeeYou is so outdated that its almost comical. It truly pains me to use an Oudie when the far better devices are in the pocket of my glider (still illegal to use them in the USA although that might be evolving soon...).

Only illegal to use them with the cell transmitter on, and then only for obsolete reasons. "could result in suspension of service and/or a fine" - does anyone know of a fine that has been paid? If you carry a cell phone in your glider you realize you have to have the regulations posted on or near each cell phone...

As a retired engineer I recall the old wisdom that "better is the enemy
of good enough".

My ancient Dell Streak 5 ($100) running XCSoar (free!) gives me the same
information that your systems do though it does not bring me a
cappuccino and massage my shoulders while I fly... Sure the new
products are great, calling what works comical is simply snobbish.

On 5/4/2015 8:36 PM, Sean Fidler wrote:
Same here. iPhone 6 and the Galaxy Note 4 are far, far (the two smartphones that I use), better than the now ancient Oudie in literally every conceivable form of measure other than raw brightness. Thee difference in total brightness is very small now with the latest smartphones. SeeYou is so outdated that its almost comical. It truly pains me to use an Oudie when the far better devices are in the pocket of my glider (still illegal to use them in the USA although that might be evolving soon...).

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Dan Marotta