FLARM in Stealth Mode at US 15M/Standard Nationals - Loved It!

Have we totally given up and agreed that ADS-B will be required in gliders, too?

Also, isn't it possible to have the same stealth technology in glider ADS-B boxes? It seems as though all the logic has been worked out. As this thread started out saying the stealth mode really works well for collision avoidance.

I am not buying the arguments about enhancing situational awareness. These seem to be coming from folks who haven't tried stealth mode or are wanting to use FLARM to enhance/extend their vision and improve their soaring performance by using thermals others have found and cored. Do we want unlimited use of this to be part of contest soaring where we are trying to determine who are our champions?

As FLARM becomes meshed, that is each FLARM unit transmits all the data it receives to all other units in range and so on, each pilot will have the ability to see what is going on in the whole task area. Again, this quickly takes us to a point where contests are about who can gather the most information from others rather than who can best read the sky.

XC

Unfortunately, there is no single device you can look to to enforce stealth logic on ADS-B traffic (Garmin will not likely devote a lot of time to algorithms that make traffic invisible) plus even if there were you'd have to figure out how not to blank out fast jets where 2km is probably not appropriate.

Then there is the issue of monkeying with the FAA's traffic system.

It may or may not be required for gliders, but it certainly will be available and given its usefulness for power traffic avoidance, do we really want to ban it?

It's tough to be King Canute - lots of things to worry about.

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On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 9:04:04 AM UTC-4, XC wrote:
Have we totally given up and agreed that ADS-B will be required in gliders, too?

Also, isn't it possible to have the same stealth technology in glider ADS-B boxes? It seems as though all the logic has been worked out. As this thread started out saying the stealth mode really works well for collision avoidance.

I am not buying the arguments about enhancing situational awareness. These seem to be coming from folks who haven't tried stealth mode or are wanting to use FLARM to enhance/extend their vision and improve their soaring performance by using thermals others have found and cored. Do we want unlimited use of this to be part of contest soaring where we are trying to determine who are our champions?

As FLARM becomes meshed, that is each FLARM unit transmits all the data it receives to all other units in range and so on, each pilot will have the ability to see what is going on in the whole task area. Again, this quickly takes us to a point where contests are about who can gather the most information from others rather than who can best read the sky.

XC

Requirement being presented would be ADSB out so the "system" can see you. It does not mean you have to have and use a display and use ADSB in, particularly in competition. Currently "out and in" would not be contest legal in the US as it is not a permitted 2 way communication.
FWIW
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You could set the ADS-B Horizontal and vertical ranges to zero in PowerFlarm. Unfortunately that wouldn't stop people from putting a Garmin ADS-B unit that communicates to IOS or Android devices via WiFi in, say, the tail fin battery box or some other not obvious location. Receivers are pretty cheap and easy.

Ultimately, on-demand inspections might be required.

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