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![]() "Vaughn" wrote in message ... This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight terrorists? Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq. |
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![]() "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Vaughn" wrote in message ... This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight terrorists? Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq. I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in Iraq now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to Iraq because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism activity in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab countries. Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now thrown open the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work. I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11 and it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed to have something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission accomplished"), but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect. Vaughn |
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![]() "Vaughn" wrote in message ... I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11 and it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. It had everything to do with terrorism. |
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![]() "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Vaughn" wrote in message ... I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11 and it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. It had everything to do with terrorism. I notice that all you ever seem to offer is a blank assertion; never logic, never an example, never even a cogent argument, and certainly never a reference. Only blankness. Bye Vaughn |
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![]() "Vaughn" wrote in message ... I notice that all you ever seem to offer is a blank assertion; never logic, never an example, never even a cogent argument, and certainly never a reference. Only blankness. Have you also noticed that those that insist Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism simply offer blank assertions; never logic, never an example, never even a hint of a cogent argument, and certainly never a reference? No, of course you haven't. |
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ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes From: "Vaughn" Date: 5/31/04 6:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "Vaughn" wrote in message ... This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight terrorists? Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq. I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in Iraq now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to Iraq because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism activity in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab countries. Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now thrown open the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work. I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11 and it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed to have something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission accomplished"), but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect. Vaughn Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Weren't a couple either Egyptians or Palestinians? So we invaded Iraq. Don't forget all the old ladies who had to be fondled in airports. Makes sense to me. (sheesh) Me too. If the shrub had been President in December of 1941, we'd have conquered Mexico City by June of '42. Cheers --mike Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Mike Dargan Date: 5/31/04 7:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: E2Suc.26929$js4.6877@attbi_s51 ArtKramr wrote: Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes From: "Vaughn" Date: 5/31/04 6:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message hlink.net... "Vaughn" wrote in message ... This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight terrorists? Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq. I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in Iraq now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to Iraq because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism activity in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab countries. Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now thrown open the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work. I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11 and it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed to have something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission accomplished"), but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect. Vaughn Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Weren't a couple either Egyptians or Palestinians? So we invaded Iraq. Don't forget all the old ladies who had to be fondled in airports. Makes sense to me. (sheesh) Me too. If the shrub had been President in December of 1941, we'd have conquered Mexico City by June of '42. Cheers --mike And lost the Hispanic vote? Never! Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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![]() "Mike Dargan" wrote in message news:E2Suc.26929$js4.6877@attbi_s51... snip Me too. If the shrub had been President in December of 1941, we'd have conquered Mexico City by June of '42. And yet we in reality attacked FRENCH North Africa in November 1942. Since we were not at war with the French at the time and they had nothing what ever to do with the Pearl Harbor attack, with your simple reasoning that was a bad. Perhaps you should leave strategy and grand strategy to the people who actually formulate it. Cheers --mike |
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In article IImvc.32080$3x.1788@attbi_s54, "William Wright"
wrote: "Mike Dargan" wrote in message news:E2Suc.26929$js4.6877@attbi_s51... snip Me too. If the shrub had been President in December of 1941, we'd have conquered Mexico City by June of '42. And yet we in reality attacked FRENCH North Africa in November 1942. Since we were not at war with the French at the time and they had nothing what ever to do with the Pearl Harbor attack, with your simple reasoning that was a bad. Perhaps you should leave strategy and grand strategy to the people who actually formulate it. Before the TORCH invasions, Vichy had been given a British ultimatum to have the North African fleet sail to a neutral or allied port, scuttle them, or suffer the consequences of having them destroyed. Britain was at war with Germany, and had substantial concerns that the French vessels might be taken by the Axis. By 1942, of course, the US was also at war with Germany. The French were sheltering and supporting German forces. Neutrality becomes stretched or violated when one side is providing protection or support to the others. The principal purpose of TORCH was to go after German and Italian forces that happened to be in French territory. The US and UK also had not recognized Vichy. Much the same as recently in Afghanistan, where the Taliban were told they would be left alone if they stopped providing al-Qaeda with sanctuary. |
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