Garmin 195 screen problem

I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
problems.

Like, try to use the advertised functionality? or the "help" systems? :-)

Ed "it's the software, stupid!" Wischmeyer

I use a hell of a lot of the functionality. Wireless networking, hardwired
networking, card readers, scanners across the network, printers across the
network, interface to automotive ECM's and PCM's, card readers, flash
drives, interface to my weather station that maintains a website of my local
weather, I can go on if you like..

Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

If the third parties don't design to specs, then it ain't gonna work as
advertised.

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
problems.

Like, try to use the advertised functionality? or the "help" systems? :-)

Ed "it's the software, stupid!" Wischmeyer

Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:04:13 -0600, "John Stricker"
wrote:

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

Gotta agree with you John. Been in this computer business since before
Windows - and although there have been bugs, it's a whole lot better
than the Dos 3.11 days - and that was NOT a Microsoft product. It was
an IBM Aberration.(or abortion)
Microsoft products are remarkably reliable and trouble free compared
to the "competition".
"Word Imperfect" - what a laugh. Lotus Ami Pro - give me a break.
Word, on the other hand? Very good.
Add Borland to the mix, and you can have more headaches. Stay with
Microsoft software, and hardware that is on the compatability list,
with microsoft signed drivers - and keep off the internet so you don't
get viruii, and you are gold.
As for Microsoft and virii, if there was a large enough installed base
of ANY other operating system to tempt the code kiddies and hackers,
you can bet your last cent they would find as many or more weaknesses
in EVERY other OS out there. That includes Linux, Apple System X, or
what have you.

'Nuff said.
"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote in message

Gotta agree with you John. Been in this computer business since
before
Windows - and although there have been bugs, it's a whole lot
better
than the Dos 3.11 days - and that was NOT a Microsoft product. It
was
an IBM Aberration.(or abortion)

IBM needed an operating system for their first PC, Bill Gates and a
friend provided it to them while working out of his fathers garage at
home. DOS was OK but could not handle any real graphics. Did you
really try doing anything with win 3, real crap. Personally I never
bothered with windows until 3.1, at least that worked.

Microsoft products are remarkably reliable and trouble free
compared
to the "competition".

Have to agree with you there, right from Works 2 for DOS, Microsoft
has produced an easy to use interface that others have struggled to
copy. Lotus Ami Pro is the only Word processor that comes any where
near Word in usability.

Jonathan



"Word Imperfect" - what a laugh. Lotus Ami Pro - give me a break.
Word, on the other hand? Very good.
Add Borland to the mix, and you can have more headaches. Stay with
Microsoft software, and hardware that is on the compatability list,
with microsoft signed drivers - and keep off the internet so you
don't
get viruii, and you are gold.
As for Microsoft and virii, if there was a large enough installed
base
of ANY other operating system to tempt the code kiddies and
hackers,
you can bet your last cent they would find as many or more
weaknesses
in EVERY other OS out there. That includes Linux, Apple System X,
or
what have you.

'Nuff said.
"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they
can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you?
:-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I
find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3
hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's
marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my
experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing
(operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there,
done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

In article , "John Stricker"
writes:


No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)


I would just love to agree with you but most of the problems I have encountered
with ALL versions of Windows involved other MS products and they "attempt" to
interface with their own damn software. In my opinion, the operating system
has a big problem when it can not control errant programs and / or is so damn
complex that nobody can interface without problems. Windows fails on both
issues.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter

John Stricker wrote:

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

--

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:07:40 GMT, Peter Dohm
wrote:

I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter


Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of ANYONE
getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
hours.
John Stricker wrote:

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

In article , clare @ snyder.on .ca
writes:


I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter


Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of ANYONE
getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
hours.


You have now! I also found OS/2 to be far better than even the most current
versions of Windoz and that was several years ago.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)