General Zinni on Sixty Minutes

In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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One shell, apparently dated pre-1991 - this isn't a clear and present
danger. (The production facility for it would be - no signs so far)


Didn't the Iraqis claim they never had any Sarin at all? If that's
the case, doesn't the presence of even one shell prove they did not
abide by the 1991 agreement?

They supposedly only did "research" on binary sarin rounds, and that
*after* 1991.

The existence of this round, at *all*, shows that they weren't complying
with their obligations by informing the UN of the research program.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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They supposedly only did "research" on binary sarin rounds, and that
*after* 1991.


Well, Mr. Adam says they had a "fair amount pre-1991 and had since
destroyed almost all of it". At least one of you is wrong.

In article et,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...

They supposedly only did "research" on binary sarin rounds, and that
*after* 1991.

Well, Mr. Adam says they had a "fair amount pre-1991 and had since
destroyed almost all of it". At least one of you is wrong.

The "wrong" person is the one who doesn't know there are different kinds
of "binary" rounds (i.e., you).

They had "binary sarin," which was pre-mixed and poured into the shell
immediately before firing, and which led to a high number of accidental
exposures by gun crews. They did *not* have a binary shell that mixed
in flight, like the one found recently (according to the reports they
made to the UN).

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...

The "wrong" person is the one who doesn't know there are different kinds
of "binary" rounds (i.e., you).


Hmmm..., how can I be wrong about something I did not comment on?

In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...

In article et,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...

They supposedly only did "research" on binary sarin rounds, and that
*after* 1991.

Well, Mr. Adam says they had a "fair amount pre-1991 and had since
destroyed almost all of it". At least one of you is wrong.

The "wrong" person is the one who doesn't know there are different kinds
of "binary" rounds (i.e., you).

Hmmm..., how can I be wrong about something I did not comment on?

Original comments restored to show just how dishonest you are.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Original comments restored to show just how dishonest you are.


Actually, that's a quote of Mr. Adams' comment.

In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...

Original comments restored to show just how dishonest you are.

Actually, that's a quote of Mr. Adams' comment.

....and since you quoted it, you commented on it.

That's two low-quality lies in a row.

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In article , Chad Irby
wrote:

In article et,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...

They supposedly only did "research" on binary sarin rounds, and that
*after* 1991.

Well, Mr. Adam says they had a "fair amount pre-1991 and had since
destroyed almost all of it". At least one of you is wrong.

The "wrong" person is the one who doesn't know there are different kinds
of "binary" rounds (i.e., you).

They had "binary sarin," which was pre-mixed and poured into the shell
immediately before firing, and which led to a high number of accidental
exposures by gun crews. They did *not* have a binary shell that mixed
in flight, like the one found recently (according to the reports they
made to the UN).

Not precisely. They had the field-mixed binary operational. Item 36 of
the UNSCOM report identifies an R&D program on true in-flight mixing
binary. Presumably, some actual shells were made as part of the R&D.

In article , Chad Irby
wrote:

In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...

One shell, apparently dated pre-1991 - this isn't a clear and present
danger. (The production facility for it would be - no signs so far)


Didn't the Iraqis claim they never had any Sarin at all? If that's
the case, doesn't the presence of even one shell prove they did not
abide by the 1991 agreement?

They supposedly only did "research" on binary sarin rounds, and that
*after* 1991.

The existence of this round, at *all*, shows that they weren't complying
with their obligations by informing the UN of the research program.

I'm a little confused. The R&D program is in the UNSCOM report. Are you
saying they did work on this program after 1991? If so, how do we know
the vintage of this shell? Not challenging, not sure I'm reading you
correctly.

In message , Chad Irby
writes
In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
One shell, apparently dated pre-1991 - this isn't a clear and present
danger. (The production facility for it would be - no signs so far)


Didn't the Iraqis claim they never had any Sarin at all? If that's
the case, doesn't the presence of even one shell prove they did not
abide by the 1991 agreement?

They supposedly only did "research" on binary sarin rounds, and that
*after* 1991.

"36. However, it was not possible to verify the full extent of several
R& D projects carried out by Iraq from 1989 to 1990, due to the absence
of sufficient data from documents and other verifiable evidence. Those
include the research on new chemical warfare agents, BZ and Soman. These
also include Iraq's efforts to develop new delivery means for CW-agents,
such as special warheads other than for Al-Hussein missiles, i.e. FROG
missile, and real binary artillery munitions and aerial bombs. Evidence
of such studies was found in the documents from the Haider farm. On the
other hand, the Commission did not find evidence that Iraq had reached
the stage of industrial production of these materials and items.

http://cns.miis.edu/research/iraq/ucreport/dis_chem.htm is the first
source to hand.


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