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Old December 14th 15, 06:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Cochrane[_3_]
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From Daniel::

"This biggest implication of the US vs. FAI rules has little to do with the mechanics of starting, finishing or the like....The biggest difference is the gaggle dynamic that exists and gets reinforced due to the point structure in place in FAI rules. "

I have heard this message consistently from US team members, and it is the number one lesson I came back with from a WGC. In our team efforts, this ought to be cut out and framed somewhere. How do we get better at that highly tactical game, and how do we collect and pass on the knowledge that each team gains.

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Old December 14th 15, 07:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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We could stop wasting lots of time and effort and argument developing and maintaining our own unique US sailplane competition rules (which isolate us from the rest of the world at all levels) and adopt IGC rules. :-)

Or perhaps we make slight modifications to IGC rules rather than developing our own rules. There is no way to be successful at both things.

At an absolute minimum. All US nationals MUST BE IGC RULES. Are we a serious soaring country or a soaring vacation country?

Everyone means well...but the writing is clearly written on the wall...

Sean
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Old December 14th 15, 07:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Steve Leonard[_2_]
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On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 1:32:44 PM UTC-6, Sean Fidler wrote:
We could stop wasting lots of time and effort and argument developing and maintaining our own unique US sailplane competition rules (which isolate us from the rest of the world at all levels) and adopt IGC rules. :-)

Or perhaps we make slight modifications to IGC rules rather than developing our own rules. There is no way to be successful at both things.

At an absolute minimum. All US nationals MUST BE IGC RULES. Are we a serious soaring country or a soaring vacation country?

Everyone means well...but the writing is clearly written on the wall...

Sean


Did you notice the size of the turn areas on the AAT tasks at the Junior Worlds, Sean? Just curious. Sometimes 10 KM, but often 30 and as much as 40 KM RADIUS! Gasp! Soaring Vacation, indeed!

Steve Leonard
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Old December 14th 15, 09:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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To Sean's point, what is the #1 objective of our U.S. National contests? If it's to help insure an American winning the World Championships, I might agree we should adopt IGC rules. If it's more complicated than that, then following everyone else may not make sense.

Similarly, is it easier for a pilot who's very good at making his/her own decisions to be good at IGC gaggle flying, or is the reverse true? Some of our most respected and internationally successful pilots have been renowned for their lead-from-the-front, individualistic style he e.g., A.J. Smith, George Moffat, and Doug Jacobs, with 4 world championships among them (without intending to slight anyone else).

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Old December 15th 15, 12:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, 14 December 2015 14:55:28 UTC-7, wrote:
To Sean's point, what is the #1 objective of our U.S. National contests? If it's to help insure an American winning the World Championships, I might agree we should adopt IGC rules. If it's more complicated than that, then following everyone else may not make sense.

Similarly, is it easier for a pilot who's very good at making his/her own decisions to be good at IGC gaggle flying, or is the reverse true? Some of our most respected and internationally successful pilots have been renowned for their lead-from-the-front, individualistic style he e.g., A.J. Smith, George Moffat, and Doug Jacobs, with 4 world championships among them (without intending to slight anyone else).

Chip Bearden
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From the SSA web site - United States Soaring Team pilots are chosen by the Soaring Society of America (SSA) based on recent performance in National and World-level competition. After each of the US Nationals, competitors' scores are compared to the winner's score. The winner of each Nationals receives a score of 100, and the other contestants are ranked relative to the winner's score. The pilot's current year and the best of the two previous years' performance are considered when selecting U.S. Soaring Team members with the current year being weighted more heavily.

U.S. Soaring Team rankings can be very close with only a fraction of a point separating competitors. When U.S. pilots do well in world level contests they earn bonus points that count toward their selection to future US Soaring Teams. The number of team members who represent the United States at a World Soaring Championships is ultimately determined by the World Championship contest organizers and the SSA.

From 2015 National FAI-Class Competition Rulebook -
1.0 GENERAL
1.1 The purpose of a National FAI Class Soaring Championship is to determine a National FAI Class Champion and to measure the performance of all entrants. Performance in Nationals will be used to provide a basis for pilots to qualify for entry into future soaring Championships and to select pilots for the U.S. Team in International Competition
 




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