General Zinni on Sixty Minutes

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 6/4/04 8:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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On 04 Jun 2004 14:02:04 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:


What military service?
.
Arthur Kramer

Art, you of all people should respect someone who earned a commission
in the USAF and completed AF pilot training, then went on to
operationally qualify in a single-seat/single-engine fighter and fly
it for four and a half years.

Did you serve that long?

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

'

Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of 50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes


Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of
50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in
Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Is your own record the benchmark? If so the vast majority, including Al
Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, etc. would not qualify.

President Bush fulfilled his duty. He is currently serving in one of the
most dangerous jobs around. Your mudslinging doesn't change that.

Jarg

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/4/04 10:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes


Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of
50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in
Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Is your own record the benchmark? If so the vast majority, including Al
Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, etc. would not qualify.

President Bush fulfilled his duty. He is currently serving in one of the
most dangerous jobs around. Your mudslinging doesn't change that.

Jarg









Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/4/04 10:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes


Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of
50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in
Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Is your own record the benchmark? If so the vast majority, including Al
Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, etc. would not qualify.

President Bush fulfilled his duty. He is currently serving in one of the
most dangerous jobs around. Your mudslinging doesn't change that.

Jarg


Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an American as a
guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him. I thought you got 20
years at hard labor forthat sort of stuff. One more point. Kerry went to war.
Bush hid in Texas.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an
American as a guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him.
I thought you got 20 years at hard labor forthat sort of stuff.


If he hadn't shown up for duty you can be sure he'd have paid the penalty.



One more point. Kerry went to war.


Any idea why he declined to serve his full tour?



Bush hid in Texas.


Bush's location was known. He could have been sent to Vietnam at any time.
How do you feel about Bill Clinton? He went to England without telling his
draft board.

It's amazing how so many WWII vets risked life and limb to save the French
from Totalitarianism, then scurry back to the U.S. and try to ram it down
our throats . . .

Art, for one, is a "Big Government Liberal" who doesn't seem to realize that
yes, Totalitarianism is a necessary condition to support his Welfare State.
And his welfare checks.

Perhaps his generation has been trained to expect that the world now owes
them a debt of servitude err I mean gratitude . . .

Steve Swartz



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an
American as a guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him.
I thought you got 20 years at hard labor forthat sort of stuff.


If he hadn't shown up for duty you can be sure he'd have paid the penalty.



One more point. Kerry went to war.


Any idea why he declined to serve his full tour?



Bush hid in Texas.


Bush's location was known. He could have been sent to Vietnam at any
time.
How do you feel about Bill Clinton? He went to England without telling
his
draft board.

It's amazing how so many WWII vets risked life and limb to save the French
from Totalitarianism, then scurry back to the U.S. and try to ram it down
our throats . . .

Why don't you elaborate on that statement some. Who is doing that? How many
WWII veterans have done that?

When I vote for Kerry, is that a vote for totalitarianism?

Walt

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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When I vote for Kerry, is that a vote for totalitarianism?


Totalitarianism is a bit extreme, but a vote for Kerry, or any other
liberal, is certainly a vote against freedom.

A vote for Socialism (in even it's weaker forms) is a vote for
Totalitarianism.

Socialism must be supported by the forced confiscation of the labor of the
citizenry. This is done by the power of the state. The power of the state
is embodied in Totalitarianism.

You can vote for "a little bit of Socialism" and many believe that the
"little bit of Totalitarianism" is acceptable, as long as hte resulting
Socilaism is "for the greater good."

These folks generally believe that there is a "sweet spot" in the tradeoff
between liberty and security.

So go ahead and answer your own question: is a vote for Kerry (or Bush, for
that matter) a vote for Totalitarianism?

Steve Swartz



"WalterM140" wrote in message
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It's amazing how so many WWII vets risked life and limb to save the
French
from Totalitarianism, then scurry back to the U.S. and try to ram it down
our throats . . .

Why don't you elaborate on that statement some. Who is doing that? How
many
WWII veterans have done that?

When I vote for Kerry, is that a vote for totalitarianism?

Walt

Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an
American as a guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him.
I thought you got 20 years at hard labor forthat sort of stuff.


If he hadn't shown up for duty you can be sure he'd have paid the penalty.


Obviously not, because Bush wsa clearly in an unauthorized status, and he was
not held accountable. It was the '70's, the military was very unpopular, and
Bush's daddy was around to make sure no actions were taken. And Bush was in
the National Guard, which is -not- the same as the Air Force.



One more point. Kerry went to war.


Any idea why he declined to serve his full tour?


That's a false statement. Kerry did serve his full tour. Bush was just
allowed to walk on his obligations.




Bush hid in Texas.


Bush's location was known. He could have been sent to Vietnam at any time.

Not with his father covering his ass.


How do you feel about Bill Clinton?

Bill Clinton is not running for office.

This time around a decorated Viet Nam veteran is running against a putz who
didn't even go to OCS.

Walt

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Obviously not, because Bush wsa clearly in an unauthorized status,
and he was not held accountable.


If Bush had not done his duty he'd have paid a price, that much is certain.
Since he paid no penalty it's obvious he did his duty.



It was the '70's, the military was very unpopular, and Bush's daddy
was around to make sure no actions were taken.


Kinda like Gore and his daddy.



And Bush was in the National Guard, which is -not- the same as the
Air Force.


Nope. It's not the same as the Army or Navy either. But they're all
military service.



That's a false statement. Kerry did serve his full tour.


Negative. Kerry served a bit more than four months of a one year tour.



Not with his father covering his ass.


His father wouldn't even if he could.



Bill Clinton is not running for office.


It was the Kerry campaign that chose to make Vietnam an issue. That being
the case, Bill Clinton's behavior during the Vietnam war and Kerry's
statements during the 1992 campaign regarding Clinton's status are fair
game.



This time around a decorated Viet Nam veteran is running against a putz
who
didn't even go to OCS.


A decorated veteran who sought three Purple Hearts under questionable
circumstances and used them to get out of Vietnam well short of a full tour.