F15E/1941

"Pete" wrote in message ...
"Paul F Austin" wrote

Much too short sighted. You want to kill all of the Japanese CVs.
Otherwise,
a few hours later, the deck is patched and they're back in operation.

A few hours later, you have gone to Pearl, and notified HQ of the deal.

Where you are promptly arrested and shipped stateside on charges of
impersonating an officer of the US armed forces and for conducting an
unauthorised attack on a friendly nation(Japan wasnt at war at the
time you stuck the carriers) in an UFO with USAF markings. At the end
of the day you receive a letter of reprimend from FDR for wreaking his
awesome 'day of infamy' and 'unprovoked attack' speech he was
preparing for so long, for just such a day. You go down in history as
the mysterious madman who triggered war in the pacific by attacking
the peaceful, friendly japanese fleet who had been conducting freedom
of navigation excersices in the vicinity.


At the
worst, all six would be back in business for the battles of 1942. Since
the
Japanese CVs weren't armored to speak of, a GBU-10 with a Mk-84 warhead
should be the basic CV ship-killer. Two F-15Es should nail all six CVs
with
one bomb per and an extra pair as backup and coup d'gras. I'd nail all CVs
and then pull back to maximum endurance loiter and observe Japanese damage
control efforts.

Remember, 1/2 the attack force is already on the way. You need to slow them
down as much as possible.

At Bingo, either donate the remaining ordnance to the CVs
in best shape or retire to one of the undamaged fields on Oahu and try and
talk the duty officer out of twenty thousand pounds of kerosene to go back
and finish the job. But that wouldn't be likely to succeed.

This is tough, because a single bomb is really marginal against a large
ship.

Which is why I thought 16 MK-82 vs 8 MK-84. Smaller warhead, yes, but more
hits.

The real question is, can 2 Strike Eagles sink all 6 carriers? Maybe, maybe
not. There are only two of you, with limited ordnance. Slow them down as
much as possible until you can shake things up at Pearl.

Pete

In article ,
(Tuollaf43) wrote:

Where you are promptly arrested and shipped stateside on charges of
impersonating an officer of the US armed forces and for conducting an
unauthorised attack on a friendly nation(Japan wasnt at war at the
time you stuck the carriers) in an UFO with USAF markings.

The what?

At the end
of the day you receive a letter of reprimend from FDR for wreaking his
awesome 'day of infamy' and 'unprovoked attack' speech he was
preparing for so long, for just such a day. You go down in history as
the mysterious madman who triggered war in the pacific by attacking
the peaceful, friendly japanese fleet who had been conducting freedom
of navigation excersices in the vicinity.

"Tuollaf43" wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote in message
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"Paul F Austin" wrote

Much too short sighted. You want to kill all of the Japanese CVs.
Otherwise,
a few hours later, the deck is patched and they're back in operation.

A few hours later, you have gone to Pearl, and notified HQ of the deal.

Where you are promptly arrested and shipped stateside on charges of
impersonating an officer of the US armed forces and for conducting an
unauthorised attack on a friendly nation(Japan wasnt at war at the
time you stuck the carriers) in an UFO with USAF markings.

Trouble is Japan had just broken off diplomatic relations with
the USA and had attacked Wake, the Phillipines and Malaya.
You dont think Japan only attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7
do you ?

At the end
of the day you receive a letter of reprimend from FDR for wreaking his
awesome 'day of infamy' and 'unprovoked attack' speech he was
preparing for so long, for just such a day. You go down in history as
the mysterious madman who triggered war in the pacific by attacking
the peaceful, friendly japanese fleet who had been conducting freedom
of navigation excersices in the vicinity.


Actually you get the medal of honor for being the only commander
who was on the ball. Short and Kimmel keep their jobs and
Douglas McArthur is fired for being unprepared.

Keith

"Tuollaf43" wrote

Where you are promptly arrested and shipped stateside on charges of
impersonating an officer of the US armed forces and for conducting an
unauthorised attack on a friendly nation(Japan wasnt at war at the
time you stuck the carriers) in an UFO with USAF markings. At the end
of the day you receive a letter of reprimend from FDR for wreaking his
awesome 'day of infamy' and 'unprovoked attack' speech he was
preparing for so long, for just such a day. You go down in history as
the mysterious madman who triggered war in the pacific by attacking
the peaceful, friendly japanese fleet who had been conducting freedom
of navigation excersices in the vicinity.


With 20/20 hindsight, and the means to preventor seriously inhibit the war
in the Pacific, I think that's a reprimand I'd take.

Again, with 20/20 hindsight, if you could shoot (name your favorite
dictator), knowing it would land you in jail, but but also knowing it would
prevent X thousand or million deaths, would you do it? I'd like to think I
would.

Pete

In article , "Pete"
wrote:

"Tuollaf43" wrote

Where you are promptly arrested and shipped stateside on charges of
impersonating an officer of the US armed forces and for conducting an
unauthorised attack on a friendly nation(Japan wasnt at war at the
time you stuck the carriers) in an UFO with USAF markings. At the end
of the day you receive a letter of reprimend from FDR for wreaking his
awesome 'day of infamy' and 'unprovoked attack' speech he was
preparing for so long, for just such a day. You go down in history as
the mysterious madman who triggered war in the pacific by attacking
the peaceful, friendly japanese fleet who had been conducting freedom
of navigation excersices in the vicinity.


With 20/20 hindsight, and the means to preventor seriously inhibit the
war
in the Pacific, I think that's a reprimand I'd take.

Again, with 20/20 hindsight, if you could shoot (name your favorite
dictator), knowing it would land you in jail, but but also knowing it
would
prevent X thousand or million deaths, would you do it? I'd like to think
I
would.

One of my mentors took his doctorate in Germany. He told me that in, oh,
1937 or so, he was presented to Hitler. While he was an academic, he
was also a wrestler, and felt he could have done great damage -- if he
had only known.

I remember watching him shake over the memory, and the only words I
could offer him were that he couldn't have known -- and wrestling
doesn't give you the skill to kill someone in seconds.

"Howard Berkowitz" wrote
One of my mentors took his doctorate in Germany. He told me that in, oh,
1937 or so, he was presented to Hitler. While he was an academic, he
was also a wrestler, and felt he could have done great damage -- if he
had only known.

I remember watching him shake over the memory, and the only words I
could offer him were that he couldn't have known -- and wrestling
doesn't give you the skill to kill someone in seconds.

Please don't take this as a jab at your mentor but did he talk about why he
and others "didn't know"? After all, Kristalnacht for example was four years
in the past at that point.

In article , Paul F Austin wrote:

"Howard Berkowitz" wrote
One of my mentors took his doctorate in Germany. He told me that in, oh,
1937 or so, he was presented to Hitler. While he was an academic, he
was also a wrestler, and felt he could have done great damage -- if he
had only known.

I remember watching him shake over the memory, and the only words I
could offer him were that he couldn't have known -- and wrestling
doesn't give you the skill to kill someone in seconds.

Please don't take this as a jab at your mentor but did he talk about why he
and others "didn't know"? After all, Kristalnacht for example was four years
in the past at that point.

I thought it was in 1938.

"Fe"wrote
Paul F Austin wrote:

"Howard Berkowitz" wrote
One of my mentors took his doctorate in Germany. He told me that in,
oh,
1937 or so, he was presented to Hitler. While he was an academic, he
was also a wrestler, and felt he could have done great damage -- if he
had only known.

I remember watching him shake over the memory, and the only words I
could offer him were that he couldn't have known -- and wrestling
doesn't give you the skill to kill someone in seconds.

Please don't take this as a jab at your mentor but did he talk about why
he
and others "didn't know"? After all, Kristalnacht for example was four
years
in the past at that point.

I thought it was in 1938.

Sorry, you're right. The anti-Jewish laws and policies started in 1933.

In article , "Paul F
Austin" wrote:

"Howard Berkowitz" wrote
One of my mentors took his doctorate in Germany. He told me that in,
oh,
1937 or so, he was presented to Hitler. While he was an academic, he
was also a wrestler, and felt he could have done great damage -- if he
had only known.

I remember watching him shake over the memory, and the only words I
could offer him were that he couldn't have known -- and wrestling
doesn't give you the skill to kill someone in seconds.

Please don't take this as a jab at your mentor but did he talk about why
he
and others "didn't know"? After all, Kristalnacht for example was four
years
in the past at that point.



You may be thinking of the "Night of the Long Knives," the 1934 purge of
the SA and other inconvenient sorts. Kristallnacht was in 1938.

I can't say I would have seen that as more than thuggery and lack of
central control. Given the information I had at the time, would I have
sacrificed myself -- for certainly that would happen -- to kill someone
whose monstrosity was not yet well known?

Remember that one of the issues of the SA purge was that they were
running internment camps independently of the SS, police, etc. While the
"euthanasia program" certainly preceded the Final Solution, the latter
was formalized at the Wannsee Conference in 1942.