General Zinni on Sixty Minutes

Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of
50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in
Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Is your own record the benchmark? If so the vast majority, including Al
Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, etc. would not qualify.


Everyone hasn't done what Art did, but a large number (including Gore) did what
they were required to do. Bush did not.

Walt

WalterM140 wrote:
Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of

50

missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in

Texas

while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Is your own record the benchmark? If so the vast majority, including Al
Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, etc. would not qualify.



Everyone hasn't done what Art did, but a large number (including Gore) did what
they were required to do. Bush did not.

I've never voted for a Bush, but I can't blame George and Bar for
getting their kid a save haven during Vietnam. Why waste a child in a
foolish and illegal war?

At least they didn't get him a complete exemption, as did the Cheney's.
I am amused, though, by the cynicism of those who brag up Bush for
zooming around in an F102. He wasn't a pilot because of his brains and
physical prowess. Had his daddy been a janitor in Harlem, rather than a
Repulican swell, he'd have been humping the boonies and dodging punji
sticks.

Cheers

--mike

Walt

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:10:29 GMT, Mike Dargan
wrote:

I've never voted for a Bush, but I can't blame George and Bar for
getting their kid a save haven during Vietnam. Why waste a child in a
foolish and illegal war?

Seems to me that our Constitutional process was followed in that war.
Who declared it illegal? And, foolish? Only if you didn't see a
Communist threat of world domination at that time. (That last phrase
is key...we know now much more about the validity of the threat, but
in the late '50s and '60s, it looked pretty real.)

At least they didn't get him a complete exemption, as did the Cheney's.
I am amused, though, by the cynicism of those who brag up Bush for
zooming around in an F102. He wasn't a pilot because of his brains and
physical prowess. Had his daddy been a janitor in Harlem, rather than a
Repulican swell, he'd have been humping the boonies and dodging punji
sticks.

Dunno about that last. My daddy was a very low level functionary for a
Chicago newspaper, living in the city, making about $150 a week and I
didn't hump the boonies or dodge punjis. Seems like it's always been
possible with hard work and perseverance for anyone in America to get
to college and even to gain an AF commission and fly jets. Doesn't
take Skull & Bones to make the grade, only commitment.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

Everyone hasn't done what Art did, but a large number (including Gore)
did what they were required to do. Bush did not.


Gore served five months of a one-year tour in Vietnam, Bush completed his
military service.