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The empire was an idea who's time had past, Britains
didnt want to be the slavemasters of the world. Really?,I think the British empire officially ended during Suez crisis when US told British rather unexpectedly (at least for the Brits) "stay at home or else". US engagement in WWII had two goals: 1)Defeating Nazi Germany 2)Destroying British Empire Till Suez crisis Brits hoped that US might want to forget second goal,but US had other plans. |
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![]() "Denyav" wrote in message ... The empire was an idea who's time had past, Britains didnt want to be the slavemasters of the world. Really?,I think the British empire officially ended during Suez crisis when US told British rather unexpectedly (at least for the Brits) "stay at home or else". Hardly, Egypt had been grantd full independence before Suez, the intervention was over Egyptian nationlisation of the canal. Just as the US has intervened to protect the Panama canal US engagement in WWII had two goals: 1)Defeating Nazi Germany 2)Destroying British Empire ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor Till Suez crisis Brits hoped that US might want to forget second goal,but US had other plans. You are fantasizing again I fear By the time of Suez, India and Pakistan were independent and the remaining colonies were already in the process of getting independence. The time table for Malayan and Singaporean Independence was agreed in 1955 for example. Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"Denyav" wrote in message ... US engagement in WWII had two goals: 1)Defeating Nazi Germany 2)Destroying British Empire ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor Keith =--- Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader political goals. BTW the killing of their own or allowing others to kill Americans to realize broder political goals is a traditional American PSYOP and usually it works. Remember Maine Remember Pearl Harbor Remember 9/11 |
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![]() "denyav" wrote in message om... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Denyav" wrote in message ... US engagement in WWII had two goals: 1)Defeating Nazi Germany 2)Destroying British Empire ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor Keith =--- Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader political goals. Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started 'This message is to be considered a war warning' is real proof of that huh ? Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning' is real proof of that huh ? Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon The calling or personally contacting Harry Hopkins,Marshall,Admirals Kramer,Stark Turner as well as Stimson,Knox and Hull and telling them that Japanese fleet were underway to attack Pearl Harbor could hardly be defined as a maaroonic act. But the responses of above given names to this warning could easily be classified as a maroonic act if not as a TREASON. |
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![]() "Denyav" wrote in message ... Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started 'This message is to be considered a war warning' is real proof of that huh ? Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon The calling or personally contacting Harry Hopkins,Marshall,Admirals Kramer,Stark Turner as well as Stimson,Knox and Hull and telling them that Japanese fleet were underway to attack Pearl Harbor could hardly be defined as a maaroonic act. Which never happened since nobody knew this. Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****. The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation, it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence But the responses of above given names to this warning could easily be classified as a maroonic act if not as a TREASON. Fictional is the word you are reaching for. Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying silent in such a situation. Keith |
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Which never happened since nobody knew this.
Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****. The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation, it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence No,Sir almost everbody in Washington DC,but surely the names mentioned above as all them were informed about attack by Col.Bratton and Thurman personaly. On Nov.28 They officially informed Hull,Stimson and Knox about japanese fleets target.They did not respond. On eve of Pearl Harbor attack the same team intercepted and decipher the famous message to Nomura. Thurman took the message immediately to Adm.Kramer.He took the message but did not do anything. Thurman tried to contact Stark,Turner and Marshall,no avail, apparently nobody in Washington DC wants to do something to prevent Pearl Harbor. As last resort Thurman went directly to White House with a car driven by his wife and wanted to speak with FDR directly. But instead of FDR he was ablr to speak to Harry Hopkins. So,Mr.Willshaw after Nov.28 Pearl Harbor attack was not surprise attack to anybody in Washington DC,it was a very welcomed opportunity. In other words,Washington was decided to make it happen for domestic politics. Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying silent in such a situation. Firing is not a very heavy punishment form |
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Subject: For Keith Willshaw...
From: "Keith Willshaw" Date: 6/7/04 9:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "denyav" wrote in message . com... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Denyav" wrote in message ... US engagement in WWII had two goals: 1)Defeating Nazi Germany 2)Destroying British Empire ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor Keith =--- Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader political goals. Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started 'This message is to be considered a war warning' is real proof of that huh ? Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon Keith They are just bitterly jealous that they are not Brits.. Never suffer fools gladly. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Den wrote:
Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader political goals. Allow a major part of our fleet to be damaged or sunk, lose countless bases and thousands of POWs and civilians in the Pacific to the Japanese, in order to do *what* to Hitler? He declared war on us, not the other way around. Does your statement make sense to you? BTW the killing of their own or allowing others to kill Americans to realize broder political goals is a traditional American PSYOP and usually it works. Remember Maine A century old accident in a powder magazine is still providing grist for rumor-mongers? Goebbels would be so proud. Remember Pearl Harbor We do. Its been dissected and examined under thousands of literary microscopes - and you know what? It was the Japanese that attacked us. Who knew? Remember 9/11 I remember it well. Not your version of it, but what really happened. People who hated us used our open society to their advantage and made us pay greatly for our previous freedoms. No where during that event was there any occurance that match your criteria of Americans killing Americans for political gain. Gordon |
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