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Old June 7th 04, 04:35 AM
Denyav
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The empire was an idea who's time had past, Britains
didnt want to be the slavemasters of the world.


Really?,I think the British empire officially ended during Suez crisis when US
told British rather unexpectedly (at least for the Brits) "stay at home or
else".
US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire

Till Suez crisis Brits hoped that US might want to forget second goal,but US
had other plans.
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Old June 7th 04, 09:25 AM
Keith Willshaw
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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The empire was an idea who's time had past, Britains
didnt want to be the slavemasters of the world.


Really?,I think the British empire officially ended during Suez crisis

when US
told British rather unexpectedly (at least for the Brits) "stay at home or
else".


Hardly, Egypt had been grantd full independence before
Suez, the intervention was over Egyptian nationlisation
of the canal. Just as the US has intervened to protect
the Panama canal

US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Till Suez crisis Brits hoped that US might want to forget second goal,but

US
had other plans.


You are fantasizing again I fear

By the time of Suez, India and Pakistan were independent
and the remaining colonies were already in the
process of getting independence. The time table for
Malayan and Singaporean Independence was
agreed in 1955 for example.

Keith




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Old June 7th 04, 04:56 PM
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US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Keith

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Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.

BTW the killing of their own or allowing others to kill Americans to
realize broder political goals is a traditional American PSYOP and
usually it works.

Remember Maine
Remember Pearl Harbor
Remember 9/11
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Old June 7th 04, 05:09 PM
Keith Willshaw
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Keith

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Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.


Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning'
is real proof of that huh ?

Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon

Keith




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Old June 7th 04, 05:29 PM
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Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning'
is real proof of that huh ?

Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon


The calling or personally contacting Harry Hopkins,Marshall,Admirals
Kramer,Stark Turner as well as Stimson,Knox and Hull and telling them that
Japanese fleet were underway to attack Pearl Harbor could hardly be defined as
a maaroonic act.

But the responses of above given names to this warning could easily be
classified as a maroonic act if not as a TREASON.

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Old June 7th 04, 08:46 PM
Keith Willshaw
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning'
is real proof of that huh ?

Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon


The calling or personally contacting Harry Hopkins,Marshall,Admirals
Kramer,Stark Turner as well as Stimson,Knox and Hull and telling them that
Japanese fleet were underway to attack Pearl Harbor could hardly be

defined as
a maaroonic act.


Which never happened since nobody knew this.
Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****.

The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation,
it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence

But the responses of above given names to this warning could easily be
classified as a maroonic act if not as a TREASON.


Fictional is the word you are reaching for.

Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying
silent in such a situation.

Keith


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Old June 8th 04, 04:51 AM
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Which never happened since nobody knew this.
Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****.

The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation,
it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence


No,Sir almost everbody in Washington DC,but surely the names mentioned above as
all them were informed about attack by Col.Bratton and Thurman personaly.
On Nov.28 They officially informed Hull,Stimson and Knox about japanese fleets
target.They did not respond.
On eve of Pearl Harbor attack the same team intercepted and decipher the famous
message to Nomura.
Thurman took the message immediately to Adm.Kramer.He took the message but did
not do anything.
Thurman tried to contact Stark,Turner and Marshall,no avail, apparently nobody
in Washington DC wants to do something to prevent Pearl Harbor.
As last resort Thurman went directly to White House with a car driven by his
wife and wanted to speak with FDR directly.
But instead of FDR he was ablr to speak to Harry Hopkins.

So,Mr.Willshaw after Nov.28 Pearl Harbor attack was not surprise attack to
anybody in Washington DC,it was a very welcomed opportunity.
In other words,Washington was decided to make it happen for domestic politics.

Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying
silent in such a situation.


Firing is not a very heavy punishment form
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Old June 7th 04, 11:58 PM
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Den wrote:

Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.


Allow a major part of our fleet to be damaged or sunk, lose countless bases and
thousands of POWs and civilians in the Pacific to the Japanese, in order to do
*what* to Hitler? He declared war on us, not the other way around. Does your
statement make sense to you?

BTW the killing of their own or allowing others to kill Americans to
realize broder political goals is a traditional American PSYOP and
usually it works.

Remember Maine


A century old accident in a powder magazine is still providing grist for
rumor-mongers? Goebbels would be so proud.

Remember Pearl Harbor


We do. Its been dissected and examined under thousands of literary microscopes
- and you know what? It was the Japanese that attacked us. Who knew?

Remember 9/11


I remember it well. Not your version of it, but what really happened. People
who hated us used our open society to their advantage and made us pay greatly
for our previous freedoms. No where during that event was there any occurance
that match your criteria of Americans killing Americans for political gain.

Gordon


 




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