Two MOH Winners say Bush Didn't Serve

End of story. Get over it.

You are evidently replying to someone whom I've kill-filed

It is not at all unusual for an individual to fall short in one year's
Guard training and to make it up the following year. That' seems to be
what Bush did in his last two years of service. The poster clearly
didn't bother to read www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm which deals
with this matter, and indeed every year of Bush's service. Instead he
preferred to trot out his own url, as if it were something new. It's
for tricks like that that I put him in the crapper.

As for getting over it, I don't think we have much hope.Liars and
tricksters aren't interested in getting at the truth.



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It is not at all unusual for an individual to fall short in one year's
Guard training and to make it up the following year. That' seems to be
what Bush did in his last two years of service.

Where is Bush's certificate of Honorable Discharge?

Walt

WalterM140 wrote:
It is not at all unusual for an individual to fall short in one year's
Guard training and to make it up the following year. That' seems to be
what Bush did in his last two years of service.

Where is Bush's certificate of Honorable Discharge?

I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time ago. The
real question is how much influence was exerted by his father the Congressman to
get it issued. The answer to that little question seems to be clouded by smoke
and mirrors, as our Repug friends are wont to say. Smoke usually coming from
fire, I daresay that his Congressional hand is in it somewhere although I doubt
that, what with two presidents in the family, the public will ever learn the
truth about it.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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WalterM140 wrote:
It is not at all unusual for an individual to fall short in one year's
Guard training and to make it up the following year. That' seems to be
what Bush did in his last two years of service.

Where is Bush's certificate of Honorable Discharge?

I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time ago.
The
real question is how much influence was exerted by his father the
Congressman to
get it issued. The answer to that little question seems to be clouded by
smoke
and mirrors, as our Repug friends are wont to say. Smoke usually coming
from
fire, I daresay that his Congressional hand is in it somewhere although I
doubt
that, what with two presidents in the family, the public will ever learn
the
truth about it.

You really don't know anything about how service is credited in the Guard
and Reserves, do you? Why don't you just come out and admit that instead of
tossing out unsubstantiated "seems to's", "daresays", and "doubts", which in
their sum total value as evidence are about as compelling as the usual
National Enquirer or Weekly World News article?

Brooks


George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time
ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father
the Congressman to get it issued.


Well, since his father wasn't a Congressman at the time, the answer has to
be, "None".

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time
ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father
the Congressman to get it issued.


Well, since his father wasn't a Congressman at the time, the answer has to
be, "None".


Bush was released after 5 years, 4 months and five days of a six year
commitment.

If he didn't get special favor, how did that happen?

Walt

From: (WalterM140)
Date: 6/10/2004 3:21 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time
ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father
the Congressman to get it issued.


Well, since his father wasn't a Congressman at the time, the answer has to
be, "None".


Bush was released after 5 years, 4 months and five days of a six year
commitment.

If he didn't get special favor, how did that happen?

Walt

Many people get early outs for various reasons with no political pull. It
happens all the tim. Kerry was let out early to go to school. At the time I
retired in 1994 it could still be done. Ok, so it's a special favour and one
has to apply for it, but what's the big deal? It does happen.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

WalterM140 wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time
ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father
the Congressman to get it issued.


Well, since his father wasn't a Congressman at the time, the answer has to
be, "None".

Even if he wasn't, that doesn't mean that he threw away the phone numbers of all
those people he had influence with when he was in office. That kind of people
would still be susceptible to a bit of informal or indirect pressure.....after
all, none of them could be sure that an out-of-office congressman might not run
for Senator or President some day, and it's always good to have some markers out
for past favors given, isn't it.

Although he was no longer a congressman in 1973, would you care to guess what
position of political influence he occupied at that time? Would you believe
"Chairman of the Republican National Committee"? Do you still think nobody
would listen when he called?

You may think the answer is "none" but politcally less-naive folks would
probably welcome the opportunity to argue the point with you. Alas, the world
of politics is not filled with Boy Scouts.

George Z.

On 10 Jun 2004 08:21:52 GMT, (WalterM140) wrote:


Bush was released after 5 years, 4 months and five days of a six year
commitment.

If he didn't get special favor, how did that happen?

And Kerry was released from active duty after how long?

Let's put the time in context. The Vietnam War had ended, the
requirements for the military were being cut back. The TANG was
converting from F-102 to F-101 requiring retraining and the training
was longer than Bush' remaining service commitment. The Guard allows
transfers from active to inactive. "Early Out" programs were rampant.

Get over it.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

Bush was released after 5 years, 4 months and five days of a six year
commitment.

If he didn't get special favor, how did that happen?


It happens all the time.

I was in a TFW in Europe that was transitioning from the F-4D to the F-111F.
As I recall, those that had less than a year to go on their tour were not
going to be retrained on a new weapon system. If they had more than six
months left in the Air Force they would be reassigned to a stateside unit,
if they had less than six months left they were discharged. I'd guess those
that were released early numbered in the hundreds.

I take it you never served in the military.