For Keith Willshaw...

"denyav" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Keith
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Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.


Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning'
is real proof of that huh ?

Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon

Keith




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Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning'
is real proof of that huh ?

Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon

The calling or personally contacting Harry Hopkins,Marshall,Admirals
Kramer,Stark Turner as well as Stimson,Knox and Hull and telling them that
Japanese fleet were underway to attack Pearl Harbor could hardly be defined as
a maaroonic act.

But the responses of above given names to this warning could easily be
classified as a maroonic act if not as a TREASON.

"Denyav" wrote in message
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Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning'
is real proof of that huh ?

Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon

The calling or personally contacting Harry Hopkins,Marshall,Admirals
Kramer,Stark Turner as well as Stimson,Knox and Hull and telling them that
Japanese fleet were underway to attack Pearl Harbor could hardly be
defined as
a maaroonic act.


Which never happened since nobody knew this.
Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****.

The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation,
it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence

But the responses of above given names to this warning could easily be
classified as a maroonic act if not as a TREASON.


Fictional is the word you are reaching for.

Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying
silent in such a situation.

Keith

Which never happened since nobody knew this.
Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****.

The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation,
it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence

No,Sir almost everbody in Washington DC,but surely the names mentioned above as
all them were informed about attack by Col.Bratton and Thurman personaly.
On Nov.28 They officially informed Hull,Stimson and Knox about japanese fleets
target.They did not respond.
On eve of Pearl Harbor attack the same team intercepted and decipher the famous
message to Nomura.
Thurman took the message immediately to Adm.Kramer.He took the message but did
not do anything.
Thurman tried to contact Stark,Turner and Marshall,no avail, apparently nobody
in Washington DC wants to do something to prevent Pearl Harbor.
As last resort Thurman went directly to White House with a car driven by his
wife and wanted to speak with FDR directly.
But instead of FDR he was ablr to speak to Harry Hopkins.

So,Mr.Willshaw after Nov.28 Pearl Harbor attack was not surprise attack to
anybody in Washington DC,it was a very welcomed opportunity.
In other words,Washington was decided to make it happen for domestic politics.

Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying
silent in such a situation.

Firing is not a very heavy punishment form

"Denyav" wrote in message
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Which never happened since nobody knew this.
Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****.

The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation,
it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence

No,Sir almost everbody in Washington DC,but surely the names mentioned
above as
all them were informed about attack by Col.Bratton and Thurman personaly.
On Nov.28 They officially informed Hull,Stimson and Knox about japanese
fleets
target.They did not respond.


A tough trick since Japanese approval for the attack
didnt come until Dec 3rd. What happened on Nov 28th was
the decryption of the winds code message sent on Nov 19th
This spoke of breaking off diplomatic warnings.

As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that
began "This is to be considered a war warning"

On eve of Pearl Harbor attack the same team intercepted and decipher the
famous
message to Nomura.

Which said nothing about an attack of any sort

Thurman took the message immediately to Adm.Kramer.He took the message but
did
not do anything.
Thurman tried to contact Stark,Turner and Marshall,no avail, apparently
nobody
in Washington DC wants to do something to prevent Pearl Harbor.

So which is it ?

Did he try to contact people or do nothing ?

As last resort Thurman went directly to White House with a car driven by
his
wife and wanted to speak with FDR directly.
But instead of FDR he was ablr to speak to Harry Hopkins.


Indeed , carrying the following message

http://ibiblio.org/pha/myths/14_part.html

So,Mr.Willshaw after Nov.28 Pearl Harbor attack was not surprise attack to
anybody in Washington DC,it was a very welcomed opportunity.
In other words,Washington was decided to make it happen for domestic
politics.


Read the actual message old boy, the most warlike statement
in the thing is

"The Japanese Government regrets to have to notify hereby the
American Government that in view of the attitude of the American
Government it cannot but consider that it is impossible to reach
an agreement through further negotiations."

Hardly a blueprint of the Pearl Harbor attack plan.


Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying
silent in such a situation.

Firing is not a very heavy punishment form

For you I'm sure thats true.

Keith




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As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that
began "This is to be considered a war warning"

They also added that Pearl Harbor was only possible target.period.

So which is it ?
Did he try to contact people or do nothing

Do you think that Navy and Army units in Pasific were alerted and waiting for
Japanase to attack?

Hardly a blueprint of the Pearl Harbor attack plan.

You could only say that if officers of US military intelligence had NOT told to
their superiors cleary "Target is Pearl Harbor" but they did say exactly that
since Nov,28.
So since Nov,28 they knew the target thanks to work of a few men.
Since their superiors did not respond to their warnings one of
them,Thurman,sidestepped the line of command and personaly went all way up to
White House,with very clear warning of japanase attack with the name of the
target "Pearl Harbor".

For you I'm sure thats true.


Put the blame on Guetenberg and also countless creators of the "
Information Age".

On 08 Jun 2004 21:58:19 GMT, (Denyav) wrote:

As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that
began "This is to be considered a war warning"

They also added that Pearl Harbor was only possible target.period.

Which is of course rubbish - everyone thought the Phillipines would be
hit - and oh look - they were, along with many other places.

So how could PH be the only possible target.period?

Peter Kemp

"Denyav" wrote in message
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As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that
began "This is to be considered a war warning"

They also added that Pearl Harbor was only possible target.period.


1) They didnt

2) It clearly wasnt since bothWake and the Phillipines
were attacked as expected

So which is it ?
Did he try to contact people or do nothing

Do you think that Navy and Army units in Pasific were alerted and waiting
for
Japanase to attack?


Alerted yes
Ready no

Thats why Kimmel and Short were fired.
Halsey on the other hand had a full CAP up,
all his scouts out and had told Kimmel that
if he saw as much as a Sampan he'd sink it.

Hardly a blueprint of the Pearl Harbor attack plan.

You could only say that if officers of US military intelligence had NOT
told to
their superiors cleary "Target is Pearl Harbor" but they did say exactly
that
since Nov,28.

They send a message to Pearl Harbor on Nov 28th which began
"This is to be considered a war warning"

This message instructed the commanders at Pearl
to prepare for war, they failed to do so and were
fired.

So since Nov,28 they knew the target thanks to work of a few men.

Cite please, the Japanese navy didnt get final
approval until Nov 3

Since their superiors did not respond to their warnings one of
them,Thurman,sidestepped the line of command and personaly went all way up
to
White House,with very clear warning of japanase attack with the name of
the
target "Pearl Harbor".


No he didnt, he went to the White House with the 14th
part of the Japanese message which contained no
atatck plans at all, not even a declaration of war in fact.

For you I'm sure thats true.


Put the blame on Guetenberg and also countless creators of the "
Information Age".

No just liars.

Keith




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In article ,
on 08 Jun 2004 21:58:19 GMT,
Denyav attempted to say .....

As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that
began "This is to be considered a war warning"

They also added that Pearl Harbor was only possible target.period.

Bullcrap

It did no such thing and to state otherwise is dishonest.

You have proven you havn't read the war warning that was sent on 28 Nov 1941


So which is it ?
Did he try to contact people or do nothing

Do you think that Navy and Army units in Pasific were alerted and waiting for
Japanase to attack?

They had been givin warning on 28 Nov.


Hardly a blueprint of the Pearl Harbor attack plan.

You could only say that if officers of US military intelligence had NOT told to
their superiors cleary "Target is Pearl Harbor" but they did say exactly that
since Nov,28.

When and where did they do so ?

So since Nov,28 they knew the target thanks to work of a few men.
Since their superiors did not respond to their warnings one of
them,Thurman,sidestepped the line of command and personaly went all way up to
White House,with very clear warning of japanase attack with the name of the
target "Pearl Harbor".

Reprinting a lie does not make it so. The 14 part message had no referance
to any target.



For you I'm sure thats true.


Put the blame on Guetenberg and also countless creators of the "
Information Age".

Perhaps you should try reading some and come back ?


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In article ,
on 08 Jun 2004 03:51:31 GMT,
Denyav attempted to say .....

Which never happened since nobody knew this.
Please none of the 'they broke the codes' bull****.

The IJN didnt transmit the details of this operation,
it was hand carried and the fleet maintained radio silence

No,Sir almost everbody in Washington DC,but surely the names mentioned above as
all them were informed about attack by Col.Bratton and Thurman personaly.
On Nov.28 They officially informed Hull,Stimson and Knox about japanese fleets
target.They did not respond.

How could they do this when they didn't know that the Japanese Carriers were
at sea ?

On eve of Pearl Harbor attack the same team intercepted and decipher the famous
message to Nomura.

Which, if you have read it you would know, has no reference to any target at
all.

Thurman took the message immediately to Adm.Kramer.He took the message but did
not do anything.

What would he do with a message implying that Japan was breaking off
negotiations ?

Thurman tried to contact Stark,Turner and Marshall,no avail, apparently nobody
in Washington DC wants to do something to prevent Pearl Harbor.

Wait, didn't you just say Thurman didn't do anything with the message ?

As last resort Thurman went directly to White House with a car driven by his
wife and wanted to speak with FDR directly.
But instead of FDR he was ablr to speak to Harry Hopkins.

So,Mr.Willshaw after Nov.28 Pearl Harbor attack was not surprise attack to
anybody in Washington DC,it was a very welcomed opportunity.
In other words,Washington was decided to make it happen for domestic politics.

Kimmel was fired, I really dont see him staying
silent in such a situation.

Firing is not a very heavy punishment form

Have you actually READ any of the messages ?


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.