Handicap Distance Tasks

At 05:43 31 January 2016, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Scoring seems like a significant issue - presumably you set up a nominal
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stance and just score off of raw time no matter what handicapped distance
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as flown. I'm guessing Winscore would have trouble with variable task
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hs with dynamically created waypoints for each task for each pilot, so
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d have to assume people flew their assigned task on an honor system - or
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a lot of manual checking. Landouts would also would require manual work.

Unless the software that sets up the task can also read the IGC files and
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core the flights?=20

9B

Hi Andy

Scoring is actually easy. For pilots that complete their task, it is just a
matter of comparing times. The same as a single class competition.

For land outs there is a compromise to be made. Fast gliders that land out
near the finish (radiused back) get a small disadvantage but if they land
out early get a small bonus. In DHTs less gliders land out.

The software that I created adds the individual task data into the evidence
so that it can be easily and automatically scored using See You. I see no
reason that other scoring software could not be easily modified to compare
the flight to the task read from the file.

Jim

Sounds like it's either honor system scoring or learning SeeYou Competition if you want to validate that no one cut their turnpoint(s) short, plus automate landout scoring, printing of scoresheets etc.

Winscore doesn't support this task type, so there'll be a bit of a learning curve to put one on most places in the US where scorers have been using Winscore.

I am curious, is Truckee using SeeYou for their tasks that follow this format?

9B

On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM UTC-8, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Sounds like it's either honor system scoring or learning SeeYou Competition if you want to validate that no one cut their turnpoint(s) short, plus automate landout scoring, printing of scoresheets etc.

Winscore doesn't support this task type, so there'll be a bit of a learning curve to put one on most places in the US where scorers have been using Winscore.

I am curious, is Truckee using SeeYou for their tasks that follow this format?

9B

In Truckee in the past we have done these as an out and return typically because of the difficulty in task setting. We have scored them by hand, looking at the flight logs in SeeYou for turnpoint achievement and violations. Also our scoring system is very simple: with a simultaneous start, the first glider back is first, etc. Real racing. 4 races run per year for at least the last 10. One of them is always a 3 lap circuit of 4 turnpoints, with one handicapped so that the gliders are even each lap. Most of the gliders have Flarm, and nobody puts them in stealth.

We are attempting to use Jim White's software this year to set more complex tasks, and will score them with SeeYou.

The Truckee FAI competition, while not tasked this way specifically, is generally flown this way by most participants. Usually everyone starts within a few minutes of gate open, the faster gliders/pilots go further into the AAT while the slower ones graze the cylinder, in order to make minimum times.. Handicaps applied at the end by Winscore. I think it would be more fun doing with handicap distances.

I will further propose sacrilege: regional class competition should also be flown this way. I believe you would get more participation, because a well flown ASW20 would have a chance against an ASG29 or V3.