Two MOH Winners say Bush Didn't Serve

In message , Cub Driver
writes

Agreed. Bush used family influence to get into and out of the guard.

Did he? I find no evidence of either, though I'm sure that to be the
son of a Congressman helped him along when it came to being accepted
(but not in leaving).

I think influence played a part. On the other hand, learning to fly a
F-102 isn't the easiest thing in the world[1]. And F-102s were certainly
flying operational missions in SEA, and killed a few of their pilots -
not exactly a safe cushty desk job.

Did he bail early? Alleged, unproven, but even if he did so did lots of
other folks, with no worse consequences (yes, you had a 'further
commitment' - but no, the military wasn't hunting you down to fulfil it
and seemed to have been reducing force anyway). Didn't snag a college
deferment, either (which hasn't been a barrier to US office).


I become tired of hearing pocket ideologues of either shade rant about
how one candidate's uniformed service was perfectly exemplary while the
other's was a complete disgrace, and the noise and fury of the fanatics
means I'm wary even of more measured claims.


Not my problem anyway, just an outside perspective since the debate's
inflicted on me


[1] At least a knife-point of RAM relevance.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Did he bail early? Alleged, unproven

No it's not. Follow this link:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/ANG22.gif

It shows 5 years, 4 months and 5 days service out of a six year commitment.

Walt

(WalterM140) wrote:
Did he bail early? Alleged, unproven
No it's not. Follow this link:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/ANG22.gif
It shows 5 years, 4 months and 5 days service out of a six year commitment.

This period of the Vietnam era, a lot of people in every
service branch were released early, particularly Reserve or Warrant
officers. It was called a 'drop' and was done as an administrative
matter all the time. A drop of over 180 days is notable, but 90 day
drops were common. If you want to allege influence, it was over the
length of the drop, not over the fact that he got one.




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It shows 5 years, 4 months and 5 days service out of a six year commitment.

It's amazing what people can believe if they want to believe it.

Bush served 11 months in the reserves after he was separated from the
National Guard. He served his six years, plus seven months.

In much the same way, I served six years in the reserves after I was
separated from the U.S. Army, to complete the then-eight-year
obligation.

Your discharge comes in the mail some time later. In my case, my name
was misspelled, probably by somebody with the mental acuity of the
poster quoted above.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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If you want to allege influence, it was over the
length of the drop, not over the fact that he got one.

"The official record of Bush's military service indicates that Bush did not
report in person for the last two years of his service. In addition, superior
officers in both Alabama and Texas say they never saw him during this period.
And George Magazine offers no credible evidence to contradict this...."


"Bush did accumulate the days of service required for an honorable discharge,
but these appear to be no-show days that were credited to him as part of the
extraordinary favoritism that characterized his service from the beginning to
the end of his service."

http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=157

Walt

"WalterM140" wrote:

http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=157

Moron why don't you try finding a valid source for the garbage you want to
present - democrats.com might be a valid source for where the next left wing
riot might occur. That is the only news item it would ever have a chance of
getting right.

"Brett" wrote in message
news

Moron why don't you try finding a valid source for the garbage you want to
present - democrats.com might be a valid source for where the next left
wing
riot might occur. That is the only news item it would ever have a chance
of
getting right.


There is no valid source for his assertions. WalterM140 is not interested
in facts or logic.

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

"The official record of Bush's military service indicates that Bush did
not
report in person for the last two years of his service. In addition,
superior
officers in both Alabama and Texas say they never saw him during this
period.
And George Magazine offers no credible evidence to contradict this...."


"Bush did accumulate the days of service required for an honorable
discharge,
but these appear to be no-show days that were credited to him as part of
the
extraordinary favoritism that characterized his service from the beginning
to
the end of his service."

http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=157


The record shows Kerry didn't complete his Vietnam tour.

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:31:54 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote:

Did he bail early? Alleged, unproven, but even if he did so did lots of
other folks,

Well, he was transferred to inactive status in October 1973, and
formally discharged in November 1974. So what appears to have happened
is that he swapped six months of Guard-for-training for a year on
inactive reserve. In the normal course of events he would have
finished his hitch in May 1974.

He served the equivalent of 25 months on active service ("active duty
for training") over the course of six and one-half years. As noted,
that was a month more than I spent in the army, and I would spit in
the eye of anyone, MOH winner included, who told me I didn't serve.
Damn straight I did!

Bush's service is neither mysterious nor particularly interesting. The
first four years were exemplary, the last two perfunctory. Evidently
what happened was twofold: a) the war was winding down, and with it
the Guard's need for him and his need for the Guard; and b) the Guard
was no longer flying the F-102A, and it was worth nobody's time to
train him in another aircraft.

www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm


all the best -- Dan Ford
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