For the recordZZZZZJJJJJJ

Juan,

I give up..... You ask for "proof" for some inconsequential matter.... and
that proof, or lack of response to the request, is to you the full measure
of the man. And you Juan? What is your measure? Would you prefer to be
measured as a person, who, at least on the internet (including ANN), called
himself a journalist, but failed to adhere to the ethics we expect from a
journalist? Is your persona here your full measure? Your military service?
And what of your occasional employer, Mr. Campbell? What are his verifiable
bona fides? What is his measure? I suspect that the answer to the question
about yourself would be much different than what you seem to expect from
Chuck and all those who detest Mr. Campbell. You decide what you wish to be
remembered for.

Red

"Juan..E..Jimenez" b*d&5^@-*b(d)5+.!c#o$m wrote in message
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Wishful thinking.

Still waiting for the Chukster to show proof to go along with his big
mouth.
Until then there's very little of interest in the newsgroup.

Oh, and the BBQ is ready for the ducks. But since we know that the
Chukster
is about nothing but hot air...

"red12049" wrote in message
...
Find it interesting that Juan has gone missing from here for weeks
now....
Thought maybe my "Journalists' Credo" message had something to do with
it,
but probably its' your ducks....




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"red12049" wrote in message
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Juan,

I give up..... You ask for "proof" for some inconsequential matter....

Let me make this crystal clear for you, whomever you happen to be. I don't
care what you think is or is not inconsequential, or what your overactive
imagination churns up as a very, very lame comeback. Nor do I care what you
think is the measure of anyone, let alone me. You think the whining little
children who make up the RAH Gaggle are of any consequence? You think what
they think of me, or of Jim Campbell, or of anyone else, is of any
consequence? On what reality? Better yet, on what planet? chuckle

What really gets the gaggle is that no matter how hard they try, ANN
continues to grow and grow and grow... and become more and more and more
successful.

That makes the gaggle furious, and they stomp their feet, and they whine
like stuck pigs, and they scream like little monkeys...

....and nothing they do, or will do, or can do, works. In the end, whom do
you think will be remembered, period? The whining boys of the gaggle? Or the
people who work so hard to bring so much information and news to the
aviation world? I'll give you one guess.

Got it?

Good! Have a nice day.

In article qZwyb.268461$275.961167@attbi_s53, b*d&5^@-*bd5+.!c#o$m
says...



snipped usual garbage


What really gets the gaggle is that no matter how hard they try, ANN
continues to grow and grow and grow... and become more and more and mo
re
successful.


Does that mean that Mooz can finally pay off the judgement that his old
lawyer has?

Maybe he can now pay for articles in the rag? Sure would be better
than just reprinting crap off the news wire or filling up space with
TFR reprints.

In article ,
(sleepy6) writes:



What really gets the gaggle is that no matter how hard they try, ANN
continues to grow and grow and grow... and become more and more and mo
re
successful.


Does that mean that Mooz can finally pay off the judgement that his old
lawyer has?

Maybe he can now pay for articles in the rag? Sure would be better
than just reprinting crap off the news wire or filling up space with
TFR reprints.



I wonder if the IRS knows how successful he has become and that he can now pay
all those back taxes he owes. Maybe they should be told along with all his
creditors who were never paid. How about all the subscribers to the USAviator
who never got their refunds or magazines?


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Juan,

Funny you should say what you did..... Indirectly, ANN is why I am here.
You are right... we don't amount to anything in anyones life but those we
touch directly. and you are right again... ANN WILL be
remembered.....unfortunately probably not in the way you seem to
indicate..... I ended up reading RAH because, after reading ANN for awhile,
I came to the conclusion that it violated everything I knew about good
journalism, and I decided to do a little background reading about its'
writers. I never had the pleasure of knowing Tony Pucillo, but in my
research I found a post he made back in the mid nineties about why ANN could
never work (I believe back then it was Jims' print magazine), no matter WHO
was running it, let alone soneone with Mr. Campbells' problems. Tony was
right then, and still is. You are right Juan, it doesn't matter what we
think. It will matter what YOU ultimately think, and those close to and
important to you. You figure out what you would like.

Red

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"red12049" wrote in message
...
Juan,

I give up..... You ask for "proof" for some inconsequential matter....

Let me make this crystal clear for you, whomever you happen to be. I don't
care what you think is or is not inconsequential, or what your overactive
imagination churns up as a very, very lame comeback. Nor do I care what
you
think is the measure of anyone, let alone me. You think the whining little
children who make up the RAH Gaggle are of any consequence? You think what
they think of me, or of Jim Campbell, or of anyone else, is of any
consequence? On what reality? Better yet, on what planet? chuckle

What really gets the gaggle is that no matter how hard they try, ANN
continues to grow and grow and grow... and become more and more and more
successful.

That makes the gaggle furious, and they stomp their feet, and they whine
like stuck pigs, and they scream like little monkeys...

...and nothing they do, or will do, or can do, works. In the end, whom do
you think will be remembered, period? The whining boys of the gaggle? Or
the
people who work so hard to bring so much information and news to the
aviation world? I'll give you one guess.

Got it?

Good! Have a nice day.





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From: "Juan..E..Jimenez" b*d&5^@-*b(d)5+.!c#o$m

Juan,

I give up..... You ask for "proof" for some inconsequential matter....

Let me make this crystal clear for you, whomever you happen to be. I don't
care what you think is or is not inconsequential, or what your overactive
imagination churns up as a very, very lame comeback. Nor do I care what you
think is the measure of anyone, let alone me. You think the whining little
children who make up the RAH Gaggle are of any consequence? You think what
they think of me, or of Jim Campbell, or of anyone else, is of any
consequence? On what reality? Better yet, on what planet? chuckle

What really gets the gaggle is that no matter how hard they try, ANN
continues to grow and grow and grow... and become more and more and more
successful.

Etc..etc..etc.

Juan, you pressed for proof about Chuck's truck for some reason I will never
understand. You demand all kinds of information from him, yet refuse to provide
the equivillent when asked in return.

Personally I couldn't care less about ANN or any other magazine. You are a
bully, and like any other bully, you are a coward who incapable of admitting
fault. You are also incapable of trying to find a middle ground. I have learned
all this by watching your ungentlemanly behaviour in this NG.I have seen zero
integrity on your part. You have made no attempt at adult debate.

If, as Chuck and others have contended, you wind up getting slammed in court
you will have no one to blame but yourself.

Would I say all this to your face? Come on over and find out.

Have you flown your BD-5 yet or moved to PR as you gave as a reason for selling
it?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
...

Juan, you pressed for proof about Chuck's truck for some reason I will
never
understand. You demand all kinds of information from him, yet refuse to
provide
the equivillent when asked in return.

Don't blame me for not following the thread to its beginning. The Duckboy
got stomped because he decided to stick his foot in his mouth and poke the
wrong person. I don't have to provide anything for him, because I don't need
to prove anything to him.

remainder of BS snipped

Juan,

If I've read the correct thread, Chuck referred to you as "Zoom's toady,
Jaun". Could that be construed as a personal attack? Sure. But Chucks'
claim to fame is as an aircraft manufacturer, nothing else. He hasn't, to
the best of my knowledge, claimed to be anyone or anything else. You on the
other hand, claim to be a journalist. As a journalist, you are
automatically held to a higher standard, in ANY forum.

Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public
enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy.
The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and
providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues.
Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the
public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the
cornerstone of a journalist's credibility. Members of the Society share a
dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society's
principles and standards of practice.

I'd repost the whole thing, but you've already seen it. If you are not
acting in this manner, then you've already lost, even if you win this small
battle. Worse, you are helping your opponent win, and demeaning the term
"journalist" in everyones' eyes (and not just in RAH). This is a part of
what I was asking you about how you wanted to be remembered, and the measure
of a man.

Red


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"B2431" wrote in message
...

Juan, you pressed for proof about Chuck's truck for some reason I will
never
understand. You demand all kinds of information from him, yet refuse to
provide
the equivillent when asked in return.

Don't blame me for not following the thread to its beginning. The Duckboy
got stomped because he decided to stick his foot in his mouth and poke the
wrong person. I don't have to provide anything for him, because I don't
need
to prove anything to him.

remainder of BS snipped




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In article , red12049 says...

Juan,

If I've read the correct thread, Chuck referred to you as "Zoom's toady,
Jaun". Could that be construed as a personal attack? Sure.

But more importantly what I said was "true" not a vague accusation or innuendo
or a generality. What you say about Journalism is true and jaun fails the test
as a journalist.He hinted in previous posts that I had children in the juvenile
justice system ,that I was hiding things and didn't own a vehicle with my name
on the title. None of it true but all designed to damage me and my
reputation.Just because I called him "zoom's toady" he feels he has the right to
insult me and my children personally. I could have gone to the gutter with him
and asked for proof of a lot of things but didn't.

But Chucks'
claim to fame is as an aircraft manufacturer, nothing else. He hasn't, to
the best of my knowledge, claimed to be anyone or anything else.

That's correct ,if I said I designed the Hawk I can prove it,if I said I had a
patent I can prove it ,same for Junk Yard Wars ,Hall of Fame and my other
accomplishments. From what I can see jaun hasn't finished anything ,test flown
anything or done anything worthy of note, the same for as his hero zoom .Yet
both of those guys feel that they have some right to judge the works of others.
Boy what a case of inflated egos. Problem is they believe their own hype and
think we do too...NOT!!


You on the
other hand, claim to be a journalist. As a journalist, you are
automatically held to a higher standard, in ANY forum.

jaun can't fill a journalist's shoes he lacks the credentials and integrity.
Nuff said..

See ya

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

"envy it seems to be about envy" chuck s

In article , red12049 says...

Juan,

I give up..... You ask for "proof" for some inconsequential matter.... and
that proof, or lack of response to the request, is to you the full measure
of the man.

Hi Red

The proof jaun wanted to see was proof that I owned my vehicles that I took/will
take to Sun n Fun. Here's the post I made on 11/12/03 showing my
truck registrations with my name on them.

See ya

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Title: jaun is a liar/ truck titlesJJJJJJ
Author: ChuckSlusarczyk
Date: 12 Nov 2003 21:18:17 -0800


I gave jaun enough rope to make a fool of himself .So just for the record you
can go to the following sites and see copies of my registrations for my 97 ,00
and 03 Dodge Ram trucks, all with my name listed as the owner. Everyone knows
that you can't get plates and registrations without titles.

I did this just to show that I have nothing to hide and jaun has no
credibility.

http://www.wanttaja.com/chuck97.JPG

http://www.wanttaja.com/chuck00.JPG

http://www.wanttaja.com/chuck03.JPG

Case closed slam dunk.

See ya

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s


















And you Juan? What is your measure? Would you prefer to be
measured as a person, who, at least on the internet (including ANN), called
himself a journalist, but failed to adhere to the ethics we expect from a
journalist? Is your persona here your full measure? Your military service?
And what of your occasional employer, Mr. Campbell? What are his verifiable
bona fides? What is his measure? I suspect that the answer to the question
about yourself would be much different than what you seem to expect from
Chuck and all those who detest Mr. Campbell. You decide what you wish to be
remembered for.

Red

"Juan..E..Jimenez" b*d&5^@-*b(d)5+.!c#o$m wrote in message
news:kXuyb.374171$Fm2.375513@attbi_s04...
Wishful thinking.

Still waiting for the Chukster to show proof to go along with his big
mouth.
Until then there's very little of interest in the newsgroup.

Oh, and the BBQ is ready for the ducks. But since we know that the
Chukster
is about nothing but hot air...

"red12049" wrote in message
...
Find it interesting that Juan has gone missing from here for weeks
now....
Thought maybe my "Journalists' Credo" message had something to do with
it,
but probably its' your ducks....




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