For Keith Willshaw...

On 08 Jun 2004 21:58:19 GMT, (Denyav) wrote:

As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that
began "This is to be considered a war warning"

They also added that Pearl Harbor was only possible target.period.

Which is of course rubbish - everyone thought the Phillipines would be
hit - and oh look - they were, along with many other places.

So how could PH be the only possible target.period?

Peter Kemp

Which is of course rubbish - everyone thought the Phillipines would be
hit - and oh look - they were, along with many other places.

So how could PH be the only possible target.period?


If you are decided to allow that to happen you can always find a way to ignore
or discredit your own military intelligence personels' professional judgement.

What else should be done to convict Washington that Pearl Harbor attack was
imminent?

Maybe Hirohito should have testified before US Congress and swear god that they
were about to attack Pearl Harbor?

I am sure even if Hirohito had appeared before Congress and officialy warned
US,FDR would still find a way to ignore the warning.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that
began "This is to be considered a war warning"

They also added that Pearl Harbor was only possible target.period.


1) They didnt

2) It clearly wasnt since bothWake and the Phillipines
were attacked as expected

So which is it ?
Did he try to contact people or do nothing

Do you think that Navy and Army units in Pasific were alerted and waiting
for
Japanase to attack?


Alerted yes
Ready no

Thats why Kimmel and Short were fired.
Halsey on the other hand had a full CAP up,
all his scouts out and had told Kimmel that
if he saw as much as a Sampan he'd sink it.

Hardly a blueprint of the Pearl Harbor attack plan.

You could only say that if officers of US military intelligence had NOT
told to
their superiors cleary "Target is Pearl Harbor" but they did say exactly
that
since Nov,28.

They send a message to Pearl Harbor on Nov 28th which began
"This is to be considered a war warning"

This message instructed the commanders at Pearl
to prepare for war, they failed to do so and were
fired.

So since Nov,28 they knew the target thanks to work of a few men.

Cite please, the Japanese navy didnt get final
approval until Nov 3

Since their superiors did not respond to their warnings one of
them,Thurman,sidestepped the line of command and personaly went all way up
to
White House,with very clear warning of japanase attack with the name of
the
target "Pearl Harbor".


No he didnt, he went to the White House with the 14th
part of the Japanese message which contained no
atatck plans at all, not even a declaration of war in fact.

For you I'm sure thats true.


Put the blame on Guetenberg and also countless creators of the "
Information Age".

No just liars.

Keith




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1) They didnt


This is the whole point .according to the Government they did not,according to
the Intelligence officers they did and they did it repeately.
On eve of Pearl Harbor attact,even during a secret White House meeting they
discussed their Pearl Harbor specific information.
But of course White House denies even this meeting!.

Thats why Kimmel and Short were fired.
Halsey on the other hand had a full CAP up,
all his scouts out and had told Kimmel that
if he saw as much as a Sampan he'd sink it.

This message instructed the commanders at Pearl
to prepare for war, they failed to do so and were
fired.

They needed scapegoats to cover their acts otherwise you might be forced to
think the unthinkable,namely the bringing FDR and Marshall to the Justice for
treason.
As far as I know even US Congress found Kimmel at no fault and accepted
revisionistic version of events,but its ,like saying now "Spain had nothing to
with Maine",namely too late .
The luring Japanase to attack Pearl Harbor,in other words "Pearl Harbor trap"
worked well.
I couple of Military intelligence officers could have ruined eveything but they
were not allowed to do so.

No he didnt, he went to the White House with the 14th
part of the Japanese message which contained no
atatck plans at all, not even a declaration of war in fact.

Yeah right!.

No just liars.

Iraqi WMDs for example?

"Denyav" wrote in message
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1) They didnt


This is the whole point .according to the Government they did
not,according to
the Intelligence officers they did and they did it repeately.
On eve of Pearl Harbor attact,even during a secret White House meeting
they
discussed their Pearl Harbor specific information.
But of course White House denies even this meeting!.


A sekrit meeting with no evidence of course

LOL

Thats why Kimmel and Short were fired.
Halsey on the other hand had a full CAP up,
all his scouts out and had told Kimmel that
if he saw as much as a Sampan he'd sink it.

This message instructed the commanders at Pearl
to prepare for war, they failed to do so and were
fired.

They needed scapegoats to cover their acts otherwise you might be forced
to
think the unthinkable,namely the bringing FDR and Marshall to the Justice
for
treason.
As far as I know even US Congress found Kimmel at no fault and accepted
revisionistic version of events,but its ,like saying now "Spain had
nothing to
with Maine",namely too late .

Incorrect, the findings of the 3 congressional investigations
are a matter of record.


The luring Japanase to attack Pearl Harbor,in other words "Pearl Harbor
trap"
worked well.
I couple of Military intelligence officers could have ruined eveything but
they
were not allowed to do so.

No he didnt, he went to the White House with the 14th
part of the Japanese message which contained no
atatck plans at all, not even a declaration of war in fact.

Yeah right!.

No just liars.

Iraqi WMDs for example?



Nice attempt to change the subject but you've
just proved how difficult cover up's really are.

Keith




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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: For Keith Willshaw...
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 6/7/04 4:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Whatever happened to bubble and squeak?


Its a bit passe these days but the older generation
still cook it, my mother is an expert, and as an
ex WW2 seems to remember the Yanks all too well

Keith


With some degree of fondness I hope.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


They still remember them fondly in New Zealand. This is from
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/...nkee-girl.html

"New Zealand women were used to men who did not pay too much attention to
female needs. In pre-war New Zealand, society had been highly segregated by
gender. Many men felt easier in the company of the boys from the scrum or
their mates in the bar. The visitors, however, had a charm which flattered.
They doffed their hats, were openly appreciative of good looks, were
concerned about a woman's comfort. Their talk had an optimism and easy
confidence that were attractive. How pleasant was that phrase which flowed
from their lips, 'Thank you, Ma'am'. It was not surprising that many Kiwi
girls found themselves falling in love."

Joe




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Incorrect, the findings of the 3 congressional investigations
are a matter of record.


As no US president would sign these findings of Congress.(Even if I were the
President I would not sign it.period.
If you officially accept the fact that FDR and Washington establishment
allowed the slaughtering of Americans in Pearl Harbor for the sake of long term
national interests,every action of US establisment become suspicious.
And more importantly no US Administration and agency would be able to conduct
"vaccination" operations involving the deaths of US citizens in the future even
if they were in long term interests of US.
Nice attempt to change the subject but you've
just proved how difficult cover up's really are.

WMD issue is not the first lie of our "Great Leaders" to the public and it wont
be the last either.
But in information age lies do not last for forever.

From: (Denyav)


Incorrect, the findings of the 3 congressional investigations
are a matter of record.


As no US president would sign these findings of Congress.(Even if I were the
President I would not sign it.period.

Presidents don't sign off on Congressional "findings."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Incorrect, the findings of the 3 congressional investigations
are a matter of record.


As no US president would sign these findings of Congress.(Even if I were
the
President I would not sign it.period.

You wouldnt be asked to - period.

Keith

Presidents don't sign off on Congressional "findings."

Actually Congress passed a law and recommed exonoration of Kimmel
This law was the result of the Congressional "findings".
As far as I know Administration(s) is still dragging its feet.