Are 'Single 180 Turn From Downwind to Final' and 'Stall-spin on Turnfrom Base to Final' mutually exclusive?

"Seems to me that if you are in danger of spinning from a shallow turn in the landing pattern, you are going much too slow."

Exactly. Or, if you are going much too slow you are in danger from spinning from a shallow turn in the landing pattern.

If you are going much too slow you are in less danger from spinning from a medium/steeper turn in the landing pattern because at low speed most gliders run out of up elevator authority before reaching critical angle of attack.

Just repeating this nonsense doesn't make it become true...

How do you teach your students to fly the approach in a glider?

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 12:12:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
How do you teach your students to fly the approach in a glider?

To have more than one tool in the toolbox.

best,
Evan

True (for me....).

"Train for the worst, plan for the best".

I do a sorta standard 3 sided pattern, allowing for adjustments.
I will also allow students to get low on the "wrong side of the pattern" to see what they do.
At the end of tha day, are they OK, is the aircraft flyable?
If yes to both, that's a start, discuss from there.

Some here know where I've landed before, not happy on my end other than worst was a broken gear door hinge or grass stains......
I can teach from my "less than wonderful choices" in the past.
Do the "standard pattern" (at least in the US) most of the time so others can "guess" what you're doing.
Adjust as needed.
Be prepared for stupid stuff "weather, other pilots, ground peeps, etc......".

On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 8:34:45 AM UTC+12, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
True (for me....).

"Train for the worst, plan for the best".

I do a sorta standard 3 sided pattern, allowing for adjustments.
I will also allow students to get low on the "wrong side of the pattern" to see what they do.
At the end of tha day, are they OK, is the aircraft flyable?
If yes to both, that's a start, discuss from there.

Some here know where I've landed before, not happy on my end other than worst was a broken gear door hinge or grass stains......
I can teach from my "less than wonderful choices" in the past.
Do the "standard pattern" (at least in the US) most of the time so others can "guess" what you're doing.
Adjust as needed.
Be prepared for stupid stuff "weather, other pilots, ground peeps, etc.......".

More than that .. take students lowish (300 or 400 ft) downwind of the field or on the wrong side of the pattern (or both), or directly over the touchdown point (deliberately "thermalling" in sink works well) and then "you have control". If they can't sort it out with a non-standard circuit then they're not ready for solo.

How do you teach your students to fly the approach in a glider?

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 7:13:28 AM UTC-7, wrote:
"Seems to me that if you are in danger of spinning from a shallow turn in the landing pattern, you are going much too slow."

Exactly. Or, if you are going much too slow you are in danger from spinning from a shallow turn in the landing pattern.

If you are going much too slow you are in less danger from spinning from a medium/steeper turn in the landing pattern because at low speed most gliders run out of up elevator authority before reaching critical angle of attack.


If so, you have another problem -- the steep turn likely puts you below the speed at which the wings are creating enough lift to keep you in the air. At altitude, the nose will fall and you will pick up speed. Close to the ground, you may impact the terrain.

Regarding the many ideas posted, it is probably fitting to repost the following:

"64% of fatal glider accidents occur during the landing phase."

Tom Knauff

At 17:58 03 August 2016, wrote:
Regarding the many ideas posted, it is probably fitting to repost the
following:

"64% of fatal glider accidents occur during the landing phase."

Tom Knauff

That's a bit like saying that 99% of people who enter a retirement
home die there. You only have to get 30 seconds of any flight
absolutely right, the first and last 15 seconds, you can get away with
most everything else. You only crash when the ground gets in the way.