Are 'Single 180 Turn From Downwind to Final' and 'Stall-spin on Turnfrom Base to Final' mutually exclusive?

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 7:13:28 AM UTC-7, wrote:
"Seems to me that if you are in danger of spinning from a shallow turn in the landing pattern, you are going much too slow."

Exactly. Or, if you are going much too slow you are in danger from spinning from a shallow turn in the landing pattern.

If you are going much too slow you are in less danger from spinning from a medium/steeper turn in the landing pattern because at low speed most gliders run out of up elevator authority before reaching critical angle of attack.


If so, you have another problem -- the steep turn likely puts you below the speed at which the wings are creating enough lift to keep you in the air. At altitude, the nose will fall and you will pick up speed. Close to the ground, you may impact the terrain.

Regarding the many ideas posted, it is probably fitting to repost the following:

"64% of fatal glider accidents occur during the landing phase."

Tom Knauff

At 17:58 03 August 2016, wrote:
Regarding the many ideas posted, it is probably fitting to repost the
following:

"64% of fatal glider accidents occur during the landing phase."

Tom Knauff

That's a bit like saying that 99% of people who enter a retirement
home die there. You only have to get 30 seconds of any flight
absolutely right, the first and last 15 seconds, you can get away with
most everything else. You only crash when the ground gets in the way.

Or over speed, or over G, or collide with another aircraft, unintentional IMC, land long, land too fast...

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Regarding the many ideas posted, it is probably fitting to repost the following:

"64% of fatal glider accidents occur during the landing phase."

Tom Knauff

Then perhaps we are teaching it wrong?

Or not beating into new pilots' the deadly importance of AOA (or airspeed, for the unwashed...) when low and slow?

A landing pattern is just a procedure. When it becomes a crutch for poor airmanship (knowledge, skills, currency) it can apparently become pretty deadly!

Kirk
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On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 1:58:11 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Regarding the many ideas posted, it is probably fitting to repost the following:

"64% of fatal glider accidents occur during the landing phase."

Tom Knauff

Would you be happier if the distribution of fatal accidents favored some other phase of flight? The goal should be to reduce overall accidents, not to shift fatalities to some other phase of flight!