For Keith Willshaw...

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
You say the US knew and where when the attack was due, all they needed to
do
was prep the a/c the night before and launch 30 mins before the attack,
plus
wake the sailors up early and have them man the AA guns.

First of all FDR or US did not want to deter japanase or save US ships in
Harbor,what FDR wanted was a spectacular event to schock and awe the
Nation.

No, you just believe that. do try to distinguish between fact and your
opinion.

A spectacular event that would shock the nation = a surprise attack - it
never had to succeed.

The first warning of Pearl Harbor attack did not came before hours,days or
weeks before the attack,it came almost one year before attack.
1)On January 27,1941 US Ambassador to Japan ,Joseph Grew sent following
message
to Washington:
"Peruvian minister has informed one my staff that he has heard from many
sources,including a Japanase source,that in the event of trouble breaking
out
between US and Japan,the Japanase intended to make a surprise attack
aganist
Pearl Harbor with all their strength"

So the US govt should believe the utterances of EVERY single foreign
diplomat in the world?

And act on them? should the US have gone to war on 2nd hand information
from a PERUVIAN minister?



Again the date of above message is Jan,27,1941.


As above.

2)Later Congressman M.Dies wrote the following:
"Early in 1941 the Dies committee came into possesion of a strategic map
which
gave clear proof of intentions of the japanese to make an assault on Pearl
Harbor.The strategic map was prepared by the Japanase Imperial
Intelligence
dept.
As soon as I received rhe document I telephoned Secretary of State Cordell
Hull
and told him what I had.Secretary Hull directed me not to let anyone know
about
map and stated that he would call me as soon as he talked to President
Roosevelt.In about an hour he telephoned to say that he had talked to
Roosevelt
and they agreed that it would be very serious if any information
concerning
this map reached the news services.I told him it was a grave
responsibility to
withold such vital information from the public.TheSecretary assured me the
he
and Roosevelt considered essential to national defense"


and M Dies agenda was?


3)Dusko Popov was a British double agent.
In the summer of 1941 Nazis ordered him to Hawai to make a detailed study
of PH
naval base and its nearby airfields.
He deduced that his mission betokened a surprise attack by japanase.In
Aug.1941
he reported this to FBI in New York.
Later Hoover bitterly recalled that he had provided Popovs warning abour
Pearl
Harbor to FDR but that Roosevelt told him not to pass the information any
further and to just leave in in his ,Presidents,hands"


He may well have deduced that, but since the Germans didn't know about any
attack on Pearl Harbour until after the event and the Brits were reading
German codes, it seems likely that it was ignored as trivial.


4)Kilso Haan received definite information from Korean underground that
the
Japanese were planning to attack Hawai "before Christmas".Haan contacted
Iowa
Senator Gillette and convinced him that information had merit.
Sen.Gillette briefed FDR , but FDR said only"it would be looked into"

You don't think that the "Korean underground" had reasons to be making stuff
up that might draw the USA into a war with the Japanese?


5)The Dutch Army in Java on Dec.4 decoded a dispatch from Tokyo to Japan
Embassy in Bangkok, forecasting attack on four locations including
Hawai.The
Dutch passed information to US Brig.Gen Thorpe.Thorpe sent total 4 urgent
warning messages to Washington,to last one directly to the desk of
Marshalls
intel chief.Washington in return ordered Thorpe not send warning messages
anymore.

Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.


Col.Weiijerman,Dutch military attache in Washington,also delivered warning
message to Marshalls staff in person.

Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.

6)On Nov,29 Cordell Hull met with the journalist J.Leib and handed him
some
japanese intercepts about Pearl Harbor and told him that Japanase were
planning
the base and that FDR planned to let it happen.
Leib promised to keep Hulls name out of story and contacted UP Washington
chief
Wilson and told him the details without giving the name of his source.
Wilson found story ludicrious and refused to run it but Leib managed to
get and
urgent version onto UPs foreign service.


Mr. Joe Lieb's claim that Secretary of State Hull told him of the coming
attack and named Pearl Harbor as the target. The trouble here is that Mr.
Lieb and Mr. Hull were the only ones present at their alleged conversation,
and Mr. Lieb did not see fit to tell anyone of this conversation until after
Mr. Hull died. Thus there is no way independently to verify his claim.



Reality is not your friend, is it?

Is reality your friend?

Yes, why do you make this **** up?


You haven't addressed why they couldn't defeat the attack yet, also you
havent explained how getting into a different war with Japan helps the
USA
get into a war against Germany (or was Hitler in on the big plan too?).


Washington was not interested in defeating attack,much less preventing it.

Clashes with reality, the US didn't have to lose to be in the war, just get
attacked.


By sending a war warning?

War warning ?,you make me laugh,unfortunately Kimmel was not under Dutch
command.

A final war warning issued to all commanders in the army and navy on
November 27 was not heeded because Pearl Harbor was not mentioned as a
possible target.

Kimmel was so incompetent that he didn't heed the warning and then spent the
rest of his life trying to gloss over that simple fact..


Again you feel the need to invent what people are saying.

You really should seek medical help.

I think the people who made Maine Incident (unfortunately too late),Pearl
Harbor (again unfortunately too late) and 9/11 should seek,no not medical
help,but legal help.

No, you are simply insane.

A spectacular event that would shock the nation = a surprise attack - it
never had to succeed.

Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.


o the US govt should believe the utterances of EVERY single foreign
diplomat in the world?

And act on them? should the US have gone to war on 2nd hand information
from a PERUVIAN minister?

If you'd planned to make this event happen you would not believe even this
message had come from Jesus Crist.
Who is a Peruvian minister to spoil FDRs plans?

and M Dies agenda was?


Good question,He was the Chairman of the Committeee,

He may well have deduced that, but since the Germans didn't know about any
attack on Pearl Harbour until after the event and the Brits were reading
German codes, it seems likely that it was ignored as trivial.

We know British knew Pearl Harbor attack ,Popovs trstimony was for Brits not
new.

You don't think that the "Korean underground" had reasons to be making stuff
up that might draw the USA into a war with the Japanese?

For those who decided to set Pearl Harbor trap for Japanase,of course every
warning is very suspicious.

Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.

Thats biggest lie of whole story,IJN sent dispatces too and their dispaches
were even more easy than diplomatical ones.
But the person responsible for IJN dispatches was McCollum,the Architect of
Pearl Harbor trap.
Thats the most important part of whole Japan story.


Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.


See above.

Yes, why do you make this **** up?


Because there is only one reality and this is the reality.

Clashes with reality, the US didn't have to lose to be in the war, just get
attacked.

US did not lose war.
Even planners of Pearl Harbor paid attention to this detail,Japanase were only
allowed to sink and destroy obsolete equipment.

If you put the morality issue aside,you must appreciate McCollums geniality.

A final war warning issued to all commanders in the army and navy on
November 27 was not heeded because Pearl Harbor was not mentioned as a
possible target.


So Called war warning was issued for places thousands miles away from
Hawaii,but not for Hawaii,even though Washington knew the exact position of
Japanese Carriers and the name of their target.
Capt.Ranneft of Dutch Navy,the dutch naval arrache, learned the exact position
of Japanase Carriers in McCollums department.
At that day,they were 300-400 miles northwest of Pearl Harbor
The day was Dec,6.1941

Surprise attack????, surely not.
Day of Infamy,for some in Washington surely.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
A spectacular event that would shock the nation = a surprise attack - it
never had to succeed.

Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.

Yeah, try reading some history.



o the US govt should believe the utterances of EVERY single foreign
diplomat in the world?

And act on them? should the US have gone to war on 2nd hand information
from a PERUVIAN minister?

If you'd planned to make this event happen you would not believe even
this
message had come from Jesus Crist.
Who is a Peruvian minister to spoil FDRs plans?

No, the question is who is a peruvian minister and why should info from
another Govt be given credence.

Other govts have their own agendas.


and M Dies agenda was?


Good question,He was the Chairman of the Committeee,

and you didn't answer the question.


He may well have deduced that, but since the Germans didn't know about
any
attack on Pearl Harbour until after the event and the Brits were reading
German codes, it seems likely that it was ignored as trivial.

We know British knew Pearl Harbor attack ,Popovs trstimony was for Brits
not
new.


No, you believe the Brits knew, do try to distinguish between fact and your
opinion.


You don't think that the "Korean underground" had reasons to be making
stuff
up that might draw the USA into a war with the Japanese?

For those who decided to set Pearl Harbor trap for Japanase,of course
every
warning is very suspicious.

Or to put it another way, you believe it so you accept it as fact.


Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information.
ever.

Thats biggest lie of whole story,IJN sent dispatces too and their
dispaches
were even more easy than diplomatical ones.

No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?

But since the US had a limited number of Japanese speaking translators and
those they had were tasked on the Diplomatic codes, it doesn't matter does
it.

But the person responsible for IJN dispatches was McCollum,the Architect
of
Pearl Harbor trap.
Thats the most important part of whole Japan story.

and a complete lie like the rest of your story.



Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information.
ever.


See above.

No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?


Yes, why do you make this **** up?


Because there is only one reality and this is the reality.

No, it is your opinion.


Clashes with reality, the US didn't have to lose to be in the war, just
get
attacked.

US did not lose war.

They didn't have to lose that battle and by sinking the Japa carriers that
launched the attack, they'd have ended it then and there.

Reality is not your friend is it?


Even planners of Pearl Harbor paid attention to this detail,Japanase were
only
allowed to sink and destroy obsolete equipment.

You mean the equipment they refloated and used, that obsolete equipment?




A final war warning issued to all commanders in the army and navy on
November 27 was not heeded because Pearl Harbor was not mentioned as a
possible target.


So Called war warning was issued for places thousands miles away from
Hawaii,but not for Hawaii,even though Washington knew the exact position
of
Japanese Carriers and the name of their target.
Capt.Ranneft of Dutch Navy,the dutch naval arrache, learned the exact
position
of Japanase Carriers in McCollums department.
At that day,they were 300-400 miles northwest of Pearl Harbor
The day was Dec,6.1941

So you actually believe that the commander of a pacific fleet base who was
competent would have ignored a war warning involving Japan, believing
perhaps that it had nothing to do with his duties?

it was obvious that you were not sane, but it is clear that you are stupid
to boot.

Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.

Yeah, try reading some history.

You are pretty good in backpedalling.

No, the question is who is a peruvian minister and why should info from
another Govt be given credence.

Other govts have their own agendas.

Sure,alone might not be very interesting,but together with other inelligence
different story.

No, you believe the Brits knew, do try to distinguish between fact and your
opinion.

Really,This one of the reasons why Tyler Kent were locked up in Britain in
1940.
As Castello,a british citizen and author of "Days of Infamy"correctly stated
British documents about Pearl Harbor are subject to secret US-British
Intelligence agreement and cannot be declassified without US approval.So these
document are in BFO but cannot be classified.

Or to put it another way, you believe it so you accept it as fact.


May I say,you believe "there is no Pearl Harbor conspiracy" so you accept it
as a fact despite countless evidences proving otherwise.



No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?

But since the US had a limited number of Japanese speaking translators and
those they had were tasked on the Diplomatic codes, it doesn't matter

It was long presumed that as Japanase Fleet approached Hawaii it maintained
complete radio silence.This is a total lie.The Fleet barely barely observed
discredition,let alone silence.
McCollums OPI intercepted and translated various Naval dispatches some clearly
revealing that That PH was the target.
The Most significant of them the was following,sent from Adm.Yamamato to the
Japanase first air fleet on November 26.
"The Task force,keeping its movement strickly secret and maintaining close
guard aganist submarines and aircraft,shall advance into HAwaian waters and
upon the very opening of the hostilities shall attack main force of US fleet
and deal it a mortal blow.First air raid planned for the dawn of x-day.Exact
date to be given by later order"

What Washington did when they got this message?
Well they issued famous "War Warning" for the places thousands miles away from
Hawaii !!!!!.
The issuing famous War Warning for important for Washington for two reasons.
1)They sent Japanase intel wrong message,and assured Japanase that US had no
idea about Japans intentions.Pearl Harbor Trap was complete.
2)They wanted to save their own asses.

Needless to say again above message was intercepted,deciphered and translated
by McCollums department,the architect of Japan plan and also acted as FDRs
personal routing officer.
Thats the reason why none of intercepted Naval dispatces surfaced in any of
Pearl Harbor investigations.

You are a friend of reality,dont you?

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.

Yeah, try reading some history.

You are pretty good in backpedalling.

Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.


No, the question is who is a peruvian minister and why should info from
another Govt be given credence.

Other govts have their own agendas.

Sure,alone might not be very interesting,but together with other
inelligence
different story.

So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?



No, you believe the Brits knew, do try to distinguish between fact and
your
opinion.

Really,This one of the reasons why Tyler Kent were locked up in Britain in
1940.
As Castello,a british citizen and author of "Days of Infamy"correctly
stated
British documents about Pearl Harbor are subject to secret US-British
Intelligence agreement and cannot be declassified without US approval.So
these
document are in BFO but cannot be classified.

Tyler Kent was born in China in 1911. His father was a member of the U.S.
Diplomatic Corps. Kent was educated at Princeton, the Sorbone, the
University of Madrid and George Washington University. Kent, who spoke
French, Greek, German, Russian, Italian and Spanish, joined the State
Department in 1934 as a clerk in the Foreign Service and was posted to
Moscow.

While in the Soviet Union Kent was accused of helping White Russians to
smuggle into the United States various Imperial Russian treasures. It was
later revealed that he was also passing on documents to Nazi intelligence
while in Moscow.

Kent was transferred to London to work as a cypher clerk at the American
Embassy. His arrival in England in the company of Ludwig Matthias, a Gestapo
agent, brought him to the attention of MI5.

In February 1940, Tyler met Anna Wolkoff. Her father, Admiral Nikolai
Wolkoff, was the former aide-to-camp to the Nicholas II in London. After the
Russian Revolution Wolkoff decided to remain in England. The Wolfoff family
ran the Russian Tea Room in South Kensington, a place where members of the
secret society, the Right Club, used to meet. Wolkoff introduced Tyler to
Archibald Ramsay, the leader of the organization. Wolkoff, Kent and Ramsay
talked about politics and agreed that they all shared the same political
views.

Kent was concerned that the American government wanted the United States to
join the war against Germany. He said he had evidence of this as he had been
making copies of the correspondence between President Franklin D. Roosevelt
and Winston Churchill. Kent invited Wolkoff and Ramsay back to his flat to
look at these documents. This included secret assurances that the United
States would support France if it was invaded by the German Army. Kent later
argued that he had shown these documents to Ramsay in the hope that he would
pass this information to American politicians hostile to Roosevelt.

On 13th April 1940 Anna Wolkoff went to Kent's flat and made copies of some
of these documents. Joan Miller and Marjorie Amor were later to testify that
these documents were then passed on to Duco del Monte, Assistant Naval
Attaché at the Italian Embassy. Soon afterwards, MI8, the wireless
interception service, picked up messages between Rome and Berlin that
indicated that Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of German military intelligence
(Abwehr), now had copies of the Roosevelt-Churchill correspondence

Soon afterwards Wolkoff asked Miller if she would use her contacts at the
Italian Embassy to pass a coded letter to William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) in
Germany. The letter contained information that he could use in his
broadcasts on Radio Hamburg. Before passing the letter to her contacts,
Miller showed it to Maxwell Knight.

On 18th May, Knight told Guy Liddell about the Right Club spy ring. Liddell
immediately had a meeting with Joseph Kennedy, the American Ambassador in
London. Kennedy agreed to waive Kent's diplomatic immunity and on 20th May,
1940, the Special Branch raided his flat. Inside they found the copies of
1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.


So Tyler worked for the Nazis and got locked up by the Brits for doing so
(the US having waived his immunity), he also lied ("This included secret
assurances that the United States would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?





Or to put it another way, you believe it so you accept it as fact.


May I say,you believe "there is no Pearl Harbor conspiracy" so you accept
it
as a fact despite countless evidences proving otherwise.

No, the historical evidence shows that there was no conspiracy, just a bunch
of sad loons wishing there was one.




No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?

But since the US had a limited number of Japanese speaking translators
and
those they had were tasked on the Diplomatic codes, it doesn't matter

It was long presumed that as Japanase Fleet approached Hawaii it
maintained
complete radio silence.This is a total lie.The Fleet barely barely
observed
discredition,let alone silence.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


McCollums OPI intercepted and translated various Naval dispatches some
clearly
revealing that That PH was the target.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

The Most significant of them the was following,sent from Adm.Yamamato to
the
Japanase first air fleet on November 26.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

"The Task force,keeping its movement strickly secret and maintaining close
guard aganist submarines and aircraft,shall advance into HAwaian waters
and
upon the very opening of the hostilities shall attack main force of US
fleet
and deal it a mortal blow.First air raid planned for the dawn of
x-day.Exact
date to be given by later order"


Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


What Washington did when they got this message?
Well they issued famous "War Warning" for the places thousands miles away
from
Hawaii !!!!!.
The issuing famous War Warning for important for Washington for two
reasons.
1)They sent Japanase intel wrong message,and assured Japanase that US had
no
idea about Japans intentions.Pearl Harbor Trap was complete.
2)They wanted to save their own asses.


They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.

Needless to say again above message was intercepted,deciphered and
translated
by McCollums department,the architect of Japan plan and also acted as
FDRs
personal routing officer.
Thats the reason why none of intercepted Naval dispatces surfaced in any
of
Pearl Harbor investigations.


Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

You are a friend of reality,dont you?


The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.

The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.

Really?? Ad Hominem attacks are not a good alternative to research.
Do you remember Journalist Leib who met with Cordell Hull and received
transcripts of Japanase naval dispaches revealing Pearl Harbor attack?
Now as I said before he (Leib) contacted immediately his personal friend and UP
Washington chief Wilson and told him the whole story,minus the identity of his
source.(Cordell Hull).
But Wilson found the story ludicrous and refused to run it.
But Leib managed to persuade his other friend,UP cable editor Harry Frantz,to
transmit it on foreign cable.
So,Leib's story,transmitted on foreign cable,created a front page banner
Headline
in the Sunday,Nov.30,Honolulu Advertiser:
"JAPANASE MAY STRIKE OVER WEEKEND".
The journey of this news started in Cordell Hull's office and ended in the
front page of an Hawaian paper.

Since you are apparently a big fan of reality and truth,you might want to visit
your local library check out newspaper.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.

Really?? Ad Hominem attacks are not a good alternative to research.

Perhaps if you did some research you wouldn't leave yourself wide open for
ad hom attack you loon.

Do you remember Journalist Leib who met with Cordell Hull and received
transcripts of Japanase naval dispaches revealing Pearl Harbor attack?

No, he CLAIMED to have met him and received that info, nobody else was
present and he only ever made that claim after Hull was safely dead, a sane
person would suggest that he was making it up.

If you believe Liebs crap, I've got a great story to tell you about the orgy
I recently had with 14 supermodels, but I have to wait till they have all
passed on before I can tell it.


Now as I said before he (Leib) contacted immediately his personal friend
and UP
Washington chief Wilson and told him the whole story,minus the identity of
his
source.(Cordell Hull).

So he went and told someone "I have a big story, but I can't tell you the
source - print it"

and his story wasn't accurate was it?


But Wilson found the story ludicrous and refused to run it.
But Leib managed to persuade his other friend,UP cable editor Harry
Frantz,to
transmit it on foreign cable.
So,Leib's story,transmitted on foreign cable,created a front page banner
Headline
in the Sunday,Nov.30,Honolulu Advertiser:
"JAPANASE MAY STRIKE OVER WEEKEND".
The journey of this news started in Cordell Hull's office and ended in the
front page of an Hawaian paper.

and was not accurate, he made it up.

The Japanese didn't strike that weekend, did they?



Since you are apparently a big fan of reality and truth,you might want to
visit
your local library check out newspaper.

But Liebs story was wrong, every day loons predict things that don't happen.

It also begs the question why Kimmel didn't take a war warning seriously,
when the local paper was running such stories.

Do try to deal with reality.

Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.

Yeah right.

So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?

Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?
Any help appreciated.

would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?

1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.

The secret corrospondence that according to declassified official documents
never existed.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

IJN records only show that they were under orders to maintain radio silence but
nothing about if these orders were followed all the times.
Captain Ranneft,Dutch Naval Attache visited ONI twice just prior to attack,
first on
Dec.2 then on Dec.6.
On his first visit Japanase Task force was in some spot midway between Japan
and Hawai.
On his last visit Task Force was 300-400 miles NW of Hawaii.
So,without doubt ONI was following Japanese task force very closely.

Not only military was intercepting IJN task force radio messages,but also
civilians,for example an American liner in Pasific picked up heavy radio
traffic from the task force and reported it to FBI.

On military side,for example,A seaman in the intelligence office of the12th
Naval District HQ in SF had intercepted Japan radio traffic and used it to plot
accurately the position of the Task Force.
He provided that info to his superiors and he was told by his superiors that
his information was passed on to highest levels.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


1)Sender of Nov,26 message which is the most revealing of all intercepted IJN
dispatches was Yamamato and First air fleet was the intended recipient,not the
other way around.
2)Task force never maintained 100% radio silence as explained above.

They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.

As soon as they intercepted above referred Yamamato message revealing Pearl
Harbor as target,they issued so called war warning .
But there is a small problem,Yamamato message mentioned only one location as
target,Pearl Harbor.
But so called War Warning included almost every location in Pasific as possible
targets EXCEPT ,well,Pearl Harbor.

The Real goal of so called War Warning was not to warn possible targets,its
goal was to deceive Japanese and make Japanese intel believe that US had no
idea about Japanese intentions.



The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.

You know ,your outer space aliens,masquarading sometimes as Spanians,sometimes
as German communists,sometimes as McCollum,sometimes as Islamic zealots.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.

Yeah right.

So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?

Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him
to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?
Any help appreciated.

You have so far ignored all the help you have been given, work it out
yourself.


would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make
himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?

1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between
Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.

The secret corrospondence that according to declassified official
documents
never existed.

I note you avoid the point, he has already been shown to be a Nazi spy and a
liar - why trust him now?



Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

IJN records only show that they were under orders to maintain radio
silence but
nothing about if these orders were followed all the times.

Hard to do otherwise when the radio is dismantled.

Captain Ranneft,Dutch Naval Attache visited ONI twice just prior to
attack,
first on
Dec.2 then on Dec.6.
On his first visit Japanase Task force was in some spot midway between
Japan
and Hawai.
On his last visit Task Force was 300-400 miles NW of Hawaii.
So,without doubt ONI was following Japanese task force very closely.

Not only military was intercepting IJN task force radio messages,but also
civilians,for example an American liner in Pasific picked up heavy radio
traffic from the task force and reported it to FBI.

No, they picked up radio traffic, they have no idea where it came from,
learn something about radio (try learning about 'skip distances') before you
comment.


On military side,for example,A seaman in the intelligence office of
the12th
Naval District HQ in SF had intercepted Japan radio traffic and used it to
plot
accurately the position of the Task Force.
He provided that info to his superiors and he was told by his superiors
that
his information was passed on to highest levels.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the
Japanese military's own after-action report, which credits the success of
the attack to the fact that secrecy was maintained.

Among the reasons why secrecy was maintained, radio silence comes first.

He claims to have done that, no proof is offered.



Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


1)Sender of Nov,26 message which is the most revealing of all intercepted
IJN
dispatches was Yamamato and First air fleet was the intended recipient,not
the
other way around.
2)Task force never maintained 100% radio silence as explained above.

They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.

As soon as they intercepted above referred Yamamato message revealing
Pearl
Harbor as target,they issued so called war warning .

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent.

But there is a small problem,Yamamato message mentioned only one location
as
target,Pearl Harbor.

Nope.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent.

But so called War Warning included almost every location in Pasific as
possible
targets EXCEPT ,well,Pearl Harbor.

A war warning does not have to specify every possible location of combat.
Kimmel was incompetent, he got reamed for it, he deserved it. deal with it.


The Real goal of so called War Warning was not to warn possible
targets,its
goal was to deceive Japanese and make Japanese intel believe that US had
no
idea about Japanese intentions.


No, that is your opinion, try to distinguish between your opinion and
reality - a war warning warns (oddly enough) of impending war, given the
Brits at Taranto and the existence of aircraft carriers, a competent
commander would have acted on that warning. Kimmel didn't. he paid for it.



The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.

You know ,your outer space aliens,masquarading sometimes as
Spanians,sometimes
as German communists,sometimes as McCollum,sometimes as Islamic zealots.

Try reading some history rather than your comic books.

In article ,
on 16 Jun 2004 12:46:12 GMT,
Denyav attempted to say .....


It was long presumed that as Japanase Fleet approached Hawaii it maintained
complete radio silence.This is a total lie.The Fleet barely barely observed
discredition,let alone silence.
McCollums OPI intercepted and translated various Naval dispatches some clearly
revealing that That PH was the target.
The Most significant of them the was following,sent from Adm.Yamamato to the
Japanase first air fleet on November 26.
"The Task force,keeping its movement strickly secret and maintaining close
guard aganist submarines and aircraft,shall advance into HAwaian waters and
upon the very opening of the hostilities shall attack main force of US fleet
and deal it a mortal blow.First air raid planned for the dawn of x-day.Exact
date to be given by later order"

Umm, you do know that Adm Yamamoto was in the home waters on one of the
battleships ?
And that the "First Air Fleet" WAS the Pearl Harbor attack force.
So this aledged interecpts was of a transmision to NOT from the attack
force.

Also, just where does that quote come from ?


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