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Old June 16th 04, 08:44 AM
Denyav
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A spectacular event that would shock the nation = a surprise attack - it
never had to succeed.


Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.


o the US govt should believe the utterances of EVERY single foreign
diplomat in the world?

And act on them? should the US have gone to war on 2nd hand information
from a PERUVIAN minister?


If you'd planned to make this event happen you would not believe even this
message had come from Jesus Crist.
Who is a Peruvian minister to spoil FDRs plans?

and M Dies agenda was?


Good question,He was the Chairman of the Committeee,

He may well have deduced that, but since the Germans didn't know about any
attack on Pearl Harbour until after the event and the Brits were reading
German codes, it seems likely that it was ignored as trivial.


We know British knew Pearl Harbor attack ,Popovs trstimony was for Brits not
new.

You don't think that the "Korean underground" had reasons to be making stuff
up that might draw the USA into a war with the Japanese?


For those who decided to set Pearl Harbor trap for Japanase,of course every
warning is very suspicious.

Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.


Thats biggest lie of whole story,IJN sent dispatces too and their dispaches
were even more easy than diplomatical ones.
But the person responsible for IJN dispatches was McCollum,the Architect of
Pearl Harbor trap.
Thats the most important part of whole Japan story.


Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information. ever.


See above.

Yes, why do you make this **** up?


Because there is only one reality and this is the reality.

Clashes with reality, the US didn't have to lose to be in the war, just get
attacked.


US did not lose war.
Even planners of Pearl Harbor paid attention to this detail,Japanase were only
allowed to sink and destroy obsolete equipment.

If you put the morality issue aside,you must appreciate McCollums geniality.

A final war warning issued to all commanders in the army and navy on
November 27 was not heeded because Pearl Harbor was not mentioned as a
possible target.


So Called war warning was issued for places thousands miles away from
Hawaii,but not for Hawaii,even though Washington knew the exact position of
Japanese Carriers and the name of their target.
Capt.Ranneft of Dutch Navy,the dutch naval arrache, learned the exact position
of Japanase Carriers in McCollums department.
At that day,they were 300-400 miles northwest of Pearl Harbor
The day was Dec,6.1941

Surprise attack????, surely not.
Day of Infamy,for some in Washington surely.


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Old June 16th 04, 11:08 AM
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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A spectacular event that would shock the nation = a surprise attack - it
never had to succeed.


Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.


Yeah, try reading some history.



o the US govt should believe the utterances of EVERY single foreign
diplomat in the world?

And act on them? should the US have gone to war on 2nd hand information
from a PERUVIAN minister?


If you'd planned to make this event happen you would not believe even

this
message had come from Jesus Crist.
Who is a Peruvian minister to spoil FDRs plans?


No, the question is who is a peruvian minister and why should info from
another Govt be given credence.

Other govts have their own agendas.


and M Dies agenda was?


Good question,He was the Chairman of the Committeee,


and you didn't answer the question.


He may well have deduced that, but since the Germans didn't know about

any
attack on Pearl Harbour until after the event and the Brits were reading
German codes, it seems likely that it was ignored as trivial.


We know British knew Pearl Harbor attack ,Popovs trstimony was for Brits

not
new.



No, you believe the Brits knew, do try to distinguish between fact and your
opinion.


You don't think that the "Korean underground" had reasons to be making

stuff
up that might draw the USA into a war with the Japanese?


For those who decided to set Pearl Harbor trap for Japanase,of course

every
warning is very suspicious.


Or to put it another way, you believe it so you accept it as fact.


Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information.

ever.

Thats biggest lie of whole story,IJN sent dispatces too and their

dispaches
were even more easy than diplomatical ones.


No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?

But since the US had a limited number of Japanese speaking translators and
those they had were tasked on the Diplomatic codes, it doesn't matter does
it.

But the person responsible for IJN dispatches was McCollum,the Architect

of
Pearl Harbor trap.
Thats the most important part of whole Japan story.


and a complete lie like the rest of your story.



Interesting, given that the Japanese didn't transmit that information.

ever.


See above.


No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?


Yes, why do you make this **** up?


Because there is only one reality and this is the reality.


No, it is your opinion.


Clashes with reality, the US didn't have to lose to be in the war, just

get
attacked.


US did not lose war.


They didn't have to lose that battle and by sinking the Japa carriers that
launched the attack, they'd have ended it then and there.

Reality is not your friend is it?


Even planners of Pearl Harbor paid attention to this detail,Japanase were

only
allowed to sink and destroy obsolete equipment.


You mean the equipment they refloated and used, that obsolete equipment?




A final war warning issued to all commanders in the army and navy on
November 27 was not heeded because Pearl Harbor was not mentioned as a
possible target.


So Called war warning was issued for places thousands miles away from
Hawaii,but not for Hawaii,even though Washington knew the exact position

of
Japanese Carriers and the name of their target.
Capt.Ranneft of Dutch Navy,the dutch naval arrache, learned the exact

position
of Japanase Carriers in McCollums department.
At that day,they were 300-400 miles northwest of Pearl Harbor
The day was Dec,6.1941


So you actually believe that the commander of a pacific fleet base who was
competent would have ignored a war warning involving Japan, believing
perhaps that it had nothing to do with his duties?

it was obvious that you were not sane, but it is clear that you are stupid
to boot.




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Old June 16th 04, 01:46 PM
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Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.

Yeah, try reading some history.


You are pretty good in backpedalling.

No, the question is who is a peruvian minister and why should info from
another Govt be given credence.

Other govts have their own agendas.


Sure,alone might not be very interesting,but together with other inelligence
different story.

No, you believe the Brits knew, do try to distinguish between fact and your
opinion.


Really,This one of the reasons why Tyler Kent were locked up in Britain in
1940.
As Castello,a british citizen and author of "Days of Infamy"correctly stated
British documents about Pearl Harbor are subject to secret US-British
Intelligence agreement and cannot be declassified without US approval.So these
document are in BFO but cannot be classified.

Or to put it another way, you believe it so you accept it as fact.


May I say,you believe "there is no Pearl Harbor conspiracy" so you accept it
as a fact despite countless evidences proving otherwise.



No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?

But since the US had a limited number of Japanese speaking translators and
those they had were tasked on the Diplomatic codes, it doesn't matter


It was long presumed that as Japanase Fleet approached Hawaii it maintained
complete radio silence.This is a total lie.The Fleet barely barely observed
discredition,let alone silence.
McCollums OPI intercepted and translated various Naval dispatches some clearly
revealing that That PH was the target.
The Most significant of them the was following,sent from Adm.Yamamato to the
Japanase first air fleet on November 26.
"The Task force,keeping its movement strickly secret and maintaining close
guard aganist submarines and aircraft,shall advance into HAwaian waters and
upon the very opening of the hostilities shall attack main force of US fleet
and deal it a mortal blow.First air raid planned for the dawn of x-day.Exact
date to be given by later order"

What Washington did when they got this message?
Well they issued famous "War Warning" for the places thousands miles away from
Hawaii !!!!!.
The issuing famous War Warning for important for Washington for two reasons.
1)They sent Japanase intel wrong message,and assured Japanase that US had no
idea about Japans intentions.Pearl Harbor Trap was complete.
2)They wanted to save their own asses.

Needless to say again above message was intercepted,deciphered and translated
by McCollums department,the architect of Japan plan and also acted as FDRs
personal routing officer.
Thats the reason why none of intercepted Naval dispatces surfaced in any of
Pearl Harbor investigations.

You are a friend of reality,dont you?

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Old June 17th 04, 03:38 AM
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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Read Part six of McCollum's eight part plan.

Yeah, try reading some history.


You are pretty good in backpedalling.


Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.


No, the question is who is a peruvian minister and why should info from
another Govt be given credence.

Other govts have their own agendas.


Sure,alone might not be very interesting,but together with other

inelligence
different story.


So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?



No, you believe the Brits knew, do try to distinguish between fact and

your
opinion.


Really,This one of the reasons why Tyler Kent were locked up in Britain in
1940.
As Castello,a british citizen and author of "Days of Infamy"correctly

stated
British documents about Pearl Harbor are subject to secret US-British
Intelligence agreement and cannot be declassified without US approval.So

these
document are in BFO but cannot be classified.


Tyler Kent was born in China in 1911. His father was a member of the U.S.
Diplomatic Corps. Kent was educated at Princeton, the Sorbone, the
University of Madrid and George Washington University. Kent, who spoke
French, Greek, German, Russian, Italian and Spanish, joined the State
Department in 1934 as a clerk in the Foreign Service and was posted to
Moscow.

While in the Soviet Union Kent was accused of helping White Russians to
smuggle into the United States various Imperial Russian treasures. It was
later revealed that he was also passing on documents to Nazi intelligence
while in Moscow.

Kent was transferred to London to work as a cypher clerk at the American
Embassy. His arrival in England in the company of Ludwig Matthias, a Gestapo
agent, brought him to the attention of MI5.

In February 1940, Tyler met Anna Wolkoff. Her father, Admiral Nikolai
Wolkoff, was the former aide-to-camp to the Nicholas II in London. After the
Russian Revolution Wolkoff decided to remain in England. The Wolfoff family
ran the Russian Tea Room in South Kensington, a place where members of the
secret society, the Right Club, used to meet. Wolkoff introduced Tyler to
Archibald Ramsay, the leader of the organization. Wolkoff, Kent and Ramsay
talked about politics and agreed that they all shared the same political
views.

Kent was concerned that the American government wanted the United States to
join the war against Germany. He said he had evidence of this as he had been
making copies of the correspondence between President Franklin D. Roosevelt
and Winston Churchill. Kent invited Wolkoff and Ramsay back to his flat to
look at these documents. This included secret assurances that the United
States would support France if it was invaded by the German Army. Kent later
argued that he had shown these documents to Ramsay in the hope that he would
pass this information to American politicians hostile to Roosevelt.

On 13th April 1940 Anna Wolkoff went to Kent's flat and made copies of some
of these documents. Joan Miller and Marjorie Amor were later to testify that
these documents were then passed on to Duco del Monte, Assistant Naval
Attaché at the Italian Embassy. Soon afterwards, MI8, the wireless
interception service, picked up messages between Rome and Berlin that
indicated that Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of German military intelligence
(Abwehr), now had copies of the Roosevelt-Churchill correspondence

Soon afterwards Wolkoff asked Miller if she would use her contacts at the
Italian Embassy to pass a coded letter to William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) in
Germany. The letter contained information that he could use in his
broadcasts on Radio Hamburg. Before passing the letter to her contacts,
Miller showed it to Maxwell Knight.

On 18th May, Knight told Guy Liddell about the Right Club spy ring. Liddell
immediately had a meeting with Joseph Kennedy, the American Ambassador in
London. Kennedy agreed to waive Kent's diplomatic immunity and on 20th May,
1940, the Special Branch raided his flat. Inside they found the copies of
1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.


So Tyler worked for the Nazis and got locked up by the Brits for doing so
(the US having waived his immunity), he also lied ("This included secret
assurances that the United States would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?





Or to put it another way, you believe it so you accept it as fact.


May I say,you believe "there is no Pearl Harbor conspiracy" so you accept

it
as a fact despite countless evidences proving otherwise.


No, the historical evidence shows that there was no conspiracy, just a bunch
of sad loons wishing there was one.




No, the IJN sent none - reality is not your friend is it?

But since the US had a limited number of Japanese speaking translators

and
those they had were tasked on the Diplomatic codes, it doesn't matter


It was long presumed that as Japanase Fleet approached Hawaii it

maintained
complete radio silence.This is a total lie.The Fleet barely barely

observed
discredition,let alone silence.


Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


McCollums OPI intercepted and translated various Naval dispatches some

clearly
revealing that That PH was the target.


Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

The Most significant of them the was following,sent from Adm.Yamamato to

the
Japanase first air fleet on November 26.


Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

"The Task force,keeping its movement strickly secret and maintaining close
guard aganist submarines and aircraft,shall advance into HAwaian waters

and
upon the very opening of the hostilities shall attack main force of US

fleet
and deal it a mortal blow.First air raid planned for the dawn of

x-day.Exact
date to be given by later order"



Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


What Washington did when they got this message?
Well they issued famous "War Warning" for the places thousands miles away

from
Hawaii !!!!!.
The issuing famous War Warning for important for Washington for two

reasons.
1)They sent Japanase intel wrong message,and assured Japanase that US had

no
idea about Japans intentions.Pearl Harbor Trap was complete.
2)They wanted to save their own asses.


They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.

Needless to say again above message was intercepted,deciphered and

translated
by McCollums department,the architect of Japan plan and also acted as

FDRs
personal routing officer.
Thats the reason why none of intercepted Naval dispatces surfaced in any

of
Pearl Harbor investigations.


Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

You are a friend of reality,dont you?


The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.


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Old June 17th 04, 04:51 AM
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The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.


Really?? Ad Hominem attacks are not a good alternative to research.
Do you remember Journalist Leib who met with Cordell Hull and received
transcripts of Japanase naval dispaches revealing Pearl Harbor attack?
Now as I said before he (Leib) contacted immediately his personal friend and UP
Washington chief Wilson and told him the whole story,minus the identity of his
source.(Cordell Hull).
But Wilson found the story ludicrous and refused to run it.
But Leib managed to persuade his other friend,UP cable editor Harry Frantz,to
transmit it on foreign cable.
So,Leib's story,transmitted on foreign cable,created a front page banner
Headline
in the Sunday,Nov.30,Honolulu Advertiser:
"JAPANASE MAY STRIKE OVER WEEKEND".
The journey of this news started in Cordell Hull's office and ended in the
front page of an Hawaian paper.

Since you are apparently a big fan of reality and truth,you might want to visit
your local library check out newspaper.


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Old June 17th 04, 07:43 AM
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.


Really?? Ad Hominem attacks are not a good alternative to research.


Perhaps if you did some research you wouldn't leave yourself wide open for
ad hom attack you loon.

Do you remember Journalist Leib who met with Cordell Hull and received
transcripts of Japanase naval dispaches revealing Pearl Harbor attack?


No, he CLAIMED to have met him and received that info, nobody else was
present and he only ever made that claim after Hull was safely dead, a sane
person would suggest that he was making it up.

If you believe Liebs crap, I've got a great story to tell you about the orgy
I recently had with 14 supermodels, but I have to wait till they have all
passed on before I can tell it.


Now as I said before he (Leib) contacted immediately his personal friend

and UP
Washington chief Wilson and told him the whole story,minus the identity of

his
source.(Cordell Hull).


So he went and told someone "I have a big story, but I can't tell you the
source - print it"

and his story wasn't accurate was it?


But Wilson found the story ludicrous and refused to run it.
But Leib managed to persuade his other friend,UP cable editor Harry

Frantz,to
transmit it on foreign cable.
So,Leib's story,transmitted on foreign cable,created a front page banner
Headline
in the Sunday,Nov.30,Honolulu Advertiser:
"JAPANASE MAY STRIKE OVER WEEKEND".
The journey of this news started in Cordell Hull's office and ended in the
front page of an Hawaian paper.


and was not accurate, he made it up.

The Japanese didn't strike that weekend, did they?



Since you are apparently a big fan of reality and truth,you might want to

visit
your local library check out newspaper.


But Liebs story was wrong, every day loons predict things that don't happen.

It also begs the question why Kimmel didn't take a war warning seriously,
when the local paper was running such stories.

Do try to deal with reality.


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Old June 17th 04, 05:19 PM
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"L'acrobat" wrote But Liebs story
was wrong, every day loons predict things that don't happen.

It also begs the question why Kimmel didn't take a war warning seriously,
when the local paper was running such stories.

Do try to deal with reality.


Maybe He was trusting much more to the Great Leaders in Washington
than the loons who made up such unbelieveable news.

Reality is still available in paper if you goto your library you can
even touch it,literally,
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Old June 17th 04, 06:18 AM
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Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.

Yeah right.

So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?


Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?
Any help appreciated.

would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?


1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.


The secret corrospondence that according to declassified official documents
never existed.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


IJN records only show that they were under orders to maintain radio silence but
nothing about if these orders were followed all the times.
Captain Ranneft,Dutch Naval Attache visited ONI twice just prior to attack,
first on
Dec.2 then on Dec.6.
On his first visit Japanase Task force was in some spot midway between Japan
and Hawai.
On his last visit Task Force was 300-400 miles NW of Hawaii.
So,without doubt ONI was following Japanese task force very closely.

Not only military was intercepting IJN task force radio messages,but also
civilians,for example an American liner in Pasific picked up heavy radio
traffic from the task force and reported it to FBI.

On military side,for example,A seaman in the intelligence office of the12th
Naval District HQ in SF had intercepted Japan radio traffic and used it to plot
accurately the position of the Task Force.
He provided that info to his superiors and he was told by his superiors that
his information was passed on to highest levels.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


1)Sender of Nov,26 message which is the most revealing of all intercepted IJN
dispatches was Yamamato and First air fleet was the intended recipient,not the
other way around.
2)Task force never maintained 100% radio silence as explained above.

They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.


As soon as they intercepted above referred Yamamato message revealing Pearl
Harbor as target,they issued so called war warning .
But there is a small problem,Yamamato message mentioned only one location as
target,Pearl Harbor.
But so called War Warning included almost every location in Pasific as possible
targets EXCEPT ,well,Pearl Harbor.

The Real goal of so called War Warning was not to warn possible targets,its
goal was to deceive Japanese and make Japanese intel believe that US had no
idea about Japanese intentions.



The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.


You know ,your outer space aliens,masquarading sometimes as Spanians,sometimes
as German communists,sometimes as McCollum,sometimes as Islamic zealots.
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Old June 17th 04, 07:53 AM
L'acrobat
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.


Yeah right.

So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?


Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him

to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?
Any help appreciated.


You have so far ignored all the help you have been given, work it out
yourself.


would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make

himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?


1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between

Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.


The secret corrospondence that according to declassified official

documents
never existed.


I note you avoid the point, he has already been shown to be a Nazi spy and a
liar - why trust him now?



Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


IJN records only show that they were under orders to maintain radio

silence but
nothing about if these orders were followed all the times.


Hard to do otherwise when the radio is dismantled.

Captain Ranneft,Dutch Naval Attache visited ONI twice just prior to

attack,
first on
Dec.2 then on Dec.6.
On his first visit Japanase Task force was in some spot midway between

Japan
and Hawai.
On his last visit Task Force was 300-400 miles NW of Hawaii.
So,without doubt ONI was following Japanese task force very closely.

Not only military was intercepting IJN task force radio messages,but also
civilians,for example an American liner in Pasific picked up heavy radio
traffic from the task force and reported it to FBI.


No, they picked up radio traffic, they have no idea where it came from,
learn something about radio (try learning about 'skip distances') before you
comment.


On military side,for example,A seaman in the intelligence office of

the12th
Naval District HQ in SF had intercepted Japan radio traffic and used it to

plot
accurately the position of the Task Force.
He provided that info to his superiors and he was told by his superiors

that
his information was passed on to highest levels.


The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the
Japanese military's own after-action report, which credits the success of
the attack to the fact that secrecy was maintained.

Among the reasons why secrecy was maintained, radio silence comes first.

He claims to have done that, no proof is offered.



Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


1)Sender of Nov,26 message which is the most revealing of all intercepted

IJN
dispatches was Yamamato and First air fleet was the intended recipient,not

the
other way around.
2)Task force never maintained 100% radio silence as explained above.

They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.


As soon as they intercepted above referred Yamamato message revealing

Pearl
Harbor as target,they issued so called war warning .


The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent.

But there is a small problem,Yamamato message mentioned only one location

as
target,Pearl Harbor.


Nope.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent.

But so called War Warning included almost every location in Pasific as

possible
targets EXCEPT ,well,Pearl Harbor.


A war warning does not have to specify every possible location of combat.
Kimmel was incompetent, he got reamed for it, he deserved it. deal with it.


The Real goal of so called War Warning was not to warn possible

targets,its
goal was to deceive Japanese and make Japanese intel believe that US had

no
idea about Japanese intentions.


No, that is your opinion, try to distinguish between your opinion and
reality - a war warning warns (oddly enough) of impending war, given the
Brits at Taranto and the existence of aircraft carriers, a competent
commander would have acted on that warning. Kimmel didn't. he paid for it.



The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.


You know ,your outer space aliens,masquarading sometimes as

Spanians,sometimes
as German communists,sometimes as McCollum,sometimes as Islamic zealots.


Try reading some history rather than your comic books.


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Old June 17th 04, 05:08 PM
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Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him

to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?


Any help appreciated.


You have so far ignored all the help you have been given, work it out


You are pretty good in dodging questions.I note you avoid the point, he has
already been shown to be a Nazi spy and a
liar - why trust him now?


So,He was a Nazi spy,other one was a Dutch naval officer,another one was a
personal friend of Hull,another one was a Peruvian minister,another one was a
Korean,another one was British double agent,another one was a Congressman and
committee Chairman,another was a USN personal so the list goes on and on.

So instead of asking the people not to believe witnessess and their
documents,you should have asked Congress to pass a bill and make believing to
the official versions mandatory.It would make everthing easier for you and me.

Hard to do otherwise when the radio is dismantled.

They were under order to keep radio silence not to dismantle radios,They used
them occasionaly and their messages were intercepted.


No, they picked up radio traffic, they have no idea where it came from,
learn something about radio (try learning about 'skip distances') before you
comment.


Even the Sailor Z in intel department of 12th naval district plotted course of
task force using radio intercepts.
His true identity has been revealed in 80s and he gave an official testimony to
Gov't investigator.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the


Does the name McArthur remind you something about post WWII Japan?


 




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