For Keith Willshaw...

Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.

Yeah right.

So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?

Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?
Any help appreciated.

would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?

1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.

The secret corrospondence that according to declassified official documents
never existed.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

IJN records only show that they were under orders to maintain radio silence but
nothing about if these orders were followed all the times.
Captain Ranneft,Dutch Naval Attache visited ONI twice just prior to attack,
first on
Dec.2 then on Dec.6.
On his first visit Japanase Task force was in some spot midway between Japan
and Hawai.
On his last visit Task Force was 300-400 miles NW of Hawaii.
So,without doubt ONI was following Japanese task force very closely.

Not only military was intercepting IJN task force radio messages,but also
civilians,for example an American liner in Pasific picked up heavy radio
traffic from the task force and reported it to FBI.

On military side,for example,A seaman in the intelligence office of the12th
Naval District HQ in SF had intercepted Japan radio traffic and used it to plot
accurately the position of the Task Force.
He provided that info to his superiors and he was told by his superiors that
his information was passed on to highest levels.

Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


1)Sender of Nov,26 message which is the most revealing of all intercepted IJN
dispatches was Yamamato and First air fleet was the intended recipient,not the
other way around.
2)Task force never maintained 100% radio silence as explained above.

They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.

As soon as they intercepted above referred Yamamato message revealing Pearl
Harbor as target,they issued so called war warning .
But there is a small problem,Yamamato message mentioned only one location as
target,Pearl Harbor.
But so called War Warning included almost every location in Pasific as possible
targets EXCEPT ,well,Pearl Harbor.

The Real goal of so called War Warning was not to warn possible targets,its
goal was to deceive Japanese and make Japanese intel believe that US had no
idea about Japanese intentions.



The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.

You know ,your outer space aliens,masquarading sometimes as Spanians,sometimes
as German communists,sometimes as McCollum,sometimes as Islamic zealots.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Not backpedalling, you are a loon and your sources crap.

Yeah right.

So a Peruvian minister and a conquered people (Korean "underground")
together should have caused the USA to go to war?

Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him
to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?
Any help appreciated.

You have so far ignored all the help you have been given, work it out
yourself.


would support France if it was invaded by
the German Army") - gee he wouldn't have any reason to try to make
himself
good at the expense of the US and UK would he?

1,929 classified documents including secret correspondence between
Franklin
D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.

The secret corrospondence that according to declassified official
documents
never existed.

I note you avoid the point, he has already been shown to be a Nazi spy and a
liar - why trust him now?



Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.

IJN records only show that they were under orders to maintain radio
silence but
nothing about if these orders were followed all the times.

Hard to do otherwise when the radio is dismantled.

Captain Ranneft,Dutch Naval Attache visited ONI twice just prior to
attack,
first on
Dec.2 then on Dec.6.
On his first visit Japanase Task force was in some spot midway between
Japan
and Hawai.
On his last visit Task Force was 300-400 miles NW of Hawaii.
So,without doubt ONI was following Japanese task force very closely.

Not only military was intercepting IJN task force radio messages,but also
civilians,for example an American liner in Pasific picked up heavy radio
traffic from the task force and reported it to FBI.

No, they picked up radio traffic, they have no idea where it came from,
learn something about radio (try learning about 'skip distances') before you
comment.


On military side,for example,A seaman in the intelligence office of
the12th
Naval District HQ in SF had intercepted Japan radio traffic and used it to
plot
accurately the position of the Task Force.
He provided that info to his superiors and he was told by his superiors
that
his information was passed on to highest levels.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the
Japanese military's own after-action report, which credits the success of
the attack to the fact that secrecy was maintained.

Among the reasons why secrecy was maintained, radio silence comes first.

He claims to have done that, no proof is offered.



Unfortunately the IJN records show otherwise, they went so far as to
dismantle the transmitters to be sure no mistake was made, but don't let
reality get in your way.


1)Sender of Nov,26 message which is the most revealing of all intercepted
IJN
dispatches was Yamamato and First air fleet was the intended recipient,not
the
other way around.
2)Task force never maintained 100% radio silence as explained above.

They issued a war warning expecting all commanders to act on it, the
competent ones did, the incompetent ones spent the rest of their lives
peddling conspiracy nonsense to the gullible and stupid.

As soon as they intercepted above referred Yamamato message revealing
Pearl
Harbor as target,they issued so called war warning .

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent.

But there is a small problem,Yamamato message mentioned only one location
as
target,Pearl Harbor.

Nope.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent.

But so called War Warning included almost every location in Pasific as
possible
targets EXCEPT ,well,Pearl Harbor.

A war warning does not have to specify every possible location of combat.
Kimmel was incompetent, he got reamed for it, he deserved it. deal with it.


The Real goal of so called War Warning was not to warn possible
targets,its
goal was to deceive Japanese and make Japanese intel believe that US had
no
idea about Japanese intentions.


No, that is your opinion, try to distinguish between your opinion and
reality - a war warning warns (oddly enough) of impending war, given the
Brits at Taranto and the existence of aircraft carriers, a competent
commander would have acted on that warning. Kimmel didn't. he paid for it.



The problem you run into is that the stuff you claim happened didn't. you
really should seek professional help.

You know ,your outer space aliens,masquarading sometimes as
Spanians,sometimes
as German communists,sometimes as McCollum,sometimes as Islamic zealots.

Try reading some history rather than your comic books.

Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force him
to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out what?

Any help appreciated.

You have so far ignored all the help you have been given, work it out

You are pretty good in dodging questions.I note you avoid the point, he has
already been shown to be a Nazi spy and a
liar - why trust him now?

So,He was a Nazi spy,other one was a Dutch naval officer,another one was a
personal friend of Hull,another one was a Peruvian minister,another one was a
Korean,another one was British double agent,another one was a Congressman and
committee Chairman,another was a USN personal so the list goes on and on.

So instead of asking the people not to believe witnessess and their
documents,you should have asked Congress to pass a bill and make believing to
the official versions mandatory.It would make everthing easier for you and me.

Hard to do otherwise when the radio is dismantled.

They were under order to keep radio silence not to dismantle radios,They used
them occasionaly and their messages were intercepted.


No, they picked up radio traffic, they have no idea where it came from,
learn something about radio (try learning about 'skip distances') before you
comment.


Even the Sailor Z in intel department of 12th naval district plotted course of
task force using radio intercepts.
His true identity has been revealed in 80s and he gave an official testimony to
Gov't investigator.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message
could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the

Does the name McArthur remind you something about post WWII Japan?

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Obviously FDR administration did not want to go to war but
Peruvians,Koreans,Dutch etc, all were setting traps for FDR to force
him
to
enter war.
I think something wrong in this picture,but I could not figure out
what?

Any help appreciated.

You have so far ignored all the help you have been given, work it out

You are pretty good in dodging questions.I note you avoid the point, he
has
already been shown to be a Nazi spy and a
liar - why trust him now?

So,He was a Nazi spy,other one was a Dutch naval officer,another one was a
personal friend of Hull,another one was a Peruvian minister,another one
was a
Korean,another one was British double agent,another one was a Congressman
and
committee Chairman,another was a USN personal so the list goes on and on.

No, the list doesn't go on - you do.

No transmissions were made by the IJN, the Germans didn't have a clue it was
happening and you are just a loon.


So instead of asking the people not to believe witnessess and their
documents,you should have asked Congress to pass a bill and make believing
to
the official versions mandatory.It would make everthing easier for you and
me.

Hard to do otherwise when the radio is dismantled.

They were under order to keep radio silence not to dismantle radios,They
used
them occasionaly and their messages were intercepted.

No, the IJN records show they were dismantled.

Reality. deal with it.



No, they picked up radio traffic, they have no idea where it came from,
learn something about radio (try learning about 'skip distances') before
you
comment.


Even the Sailor Z in intel department of 12th naval district plotted
course of
task force using radio intercepts.

Nope, try looking up skip distances.


His true identity has been revealed in 80s and he gave an official
testimony to
Gov't investigator.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a
single
message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a
message
could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the

Does the name McArthur remind you something about post WWII Japan?

A whole new conspiracy. good. that will make you happy.

No, the list doesn't go on - you do.

No transmissions were made by the IJN, the Germans didn't have a clue it was
happening and you are just a loon

Please feel free to repeat the above thousands times more if it makes you
happy,but it wont change anything , big lies do not last for forever,even if
they are under NSA protection.

No, the IJN records show they were dismantled.

Reality. deal with it.

Thats your reality Sir,not the reality of many who actualy listen and report
them.
Actually IJN ships were under orders to cease communications after Nov.25
"EXCEPT" extreme emergencies.
The task force broke radio silence at least 28 times between between Nov.26 and
Dec.7.
Since they have NO radio equipment,they must have used cell phones of crew
members !.

Nope, try looking up skip distances.

I guess you never used a SW radio.

A whole new conspiracy. good. that will make you happy.


Mother of all conspiracies is to hide truth in somewhere in Indiana and deny
everyone,including the members of Congress,access to them.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
No, the list doesn't go on - you do.

No transmissions were made by the IJN, the Germans didn't have a clue it
was
happening and you are just a loon

Please feel free to repeat the above thousands times more if it makes you
happy,but it wont change anything , big lies do not last for forever,even
if
they are under NSA protection.

When faced with the unfortunate truth that the transmitters were dismantled,
label it a lie.

Too much credible evidence supports this.



No, the IJN records show they were dismantled.

Reality. deal with it.

Thats your reality Sir,not the reality of many who actualy listen and
report
them.

Yes, I'm quite happy to accept that the real world (aka "my reality") is
different from your reality.

Actually IJN ships were under orders to cease communications after Nov.25
"EXCEPT" extreme emergencies.
The task force broke radio silence at least 28 times between between
Nov.26 and
Dec.7.
Since they have NO radio equipment,they must have used cell phones of crew
members !.

They didn't transmit, they documented why. deal with it.


Nope, try looking up skip distances.

I guess you never used a SW radio.

Quite a few.


A whole new conspiracy. good. that will make you happy.


Mother of all conspiracies is to hide truth in somewhere in Indiana and
deny
everyone,including the members of Congress,access to them.

Of course it is, now take your meds and behave yourself.

When faced with the unfortunate truth that the transmitters were dismantled,
label it a lie.

Too much credible evidence supports this.

Yeah right,28 intercepted transmissions from the Task Force were actualy sent
by Outer Space Aliens masquerading as Japanase Sailors at this time.

Yes, I'm quite happy to accept that the real world (aka "my reality") is
different from your reality.

Enjoy it,but I would rather stick to the reality behind NSA curtain (aka "vault
reality")

hey didn't transmit, they documented why. deal with it.

Yeah right,they were outer space aliens as I mentioned before.

Quite a few.

Good,then you should not be surpised to hear Task Force transmissions in CA.


Of course it is, now take your meds and behave yourself.

Do you think that NSA fired formidable barrages of withdrawal notices for
pre-Pearl Harbor documents after 1999 just make me behave right?