Benalla

Op donderdag 12 januari 2017 15:13:23 UTC+1 schreef krasw:
There was a mid-air collision in 18m class today. Both damaged gliders returned to airfield. Such routine is this at WGC level that it did not make news anywhere?

If you look at the score sheet, LK and HK were involved in this occurrence
I have put both igc files together in this GoogleEarth KML file https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...se4comfort.kmz

It looks like LK turned inside HK during thermalling
HK immediately returned in the direction of Benalla and landed on Baddaginnie (Earlston) airstrip.
LK initially continued the task and flew back a little bit later to Benalla.

This slide was shown during a safety briefing
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ng-wgc2017.jpg

At 11:10 14 January 2017, RuudH wrote:
Op donderdag 12 januari 2017 15:13:23 UTC+1 schreef krasw:
There was a mid-air collision in 18m class today. Both damaged
gliders
returned to airfield.

Matthew Scutter's Gliding
https://www.facebook.com/MatthewScut...fref=hovercard

At 12:32 14 January 2017, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
At 11:10 14 January 2017, RuudH wrote:
Op donderdag 12 januari 2017 15:13:23 UTC+1 schreef krasw:
There was a mid-air collision in 18m class today. Both damaged
gliders
returned to airfield.
This the work of an ethics committee.

1) It is hard to argue that someone who gives up their race to assist
another pilot in mortal trouble isn't doing the right thing

2) It is also hard to argue that the organisation that decides to cancel
the race because said pilot gave up his race for noble reason and was so
disadvantaged isn't doing the right thing

yet note that the rules say that pilots involved in a mid air must suffer
a technical land out at that point. I was not present in this rule making
but presume that the reasoning is that this rule discourages pilots from
continuing in potentially lethally compromised gliders. It also has a
deterrent effect on rash pilot behaviour as the penalty is very high, even
if not to life and limb.

so

3) It is therefore possible to argue that the organisers who cancel the
task, remove the points downside to the pilots from unsafe flying and that
is wrong.

Better to find a way to reward the good shepherd for his proper and
humane decision?

Always controversial, not always correct
Jim

At 14:29 14 January 2017, Jim White wrote:
At 12:32 14 January 2017, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
At 11:10 14 January 2017, RuudH wrote:
Op donderdag 12 januari 2017 15:13:23 UTC+1 schreef krasw:
There was a mid-air collision in 18m class today. Both damaged
gliders
returned to airfield.
This the work of an ethics committee.

1) It is hard to argue that someone who gives up their race to assis
another pilot in mortal trouble isn't doing the right thing

2) It is also hard to argue that the organisation that decides to cance
the race because said pilot gave up his race for noble reason and was s
disadvantaged isn't doing the right thing

yet note that the rules say that pilots involved in a mid air must suffe
a technical land out at that point. I was not present in this rule makin
but presume that the reasoning is that this rule discourages pilots fro
continuing in potentially lethally compromised gliders. It also has a
deterrent effect on rash pilot behaviour as the penalty is very high,
eve
if not to life and limb.

The rule was, I believe, introduced after a mid-air (in cloud) in a UK
Nationals in the late 1960's. One of the pilots flew on for about another
50 km with a couple of feet of wing missing.


so

3) It is therefore possible to argue that the organisers who cancel th
task, remove the points downside to the pilots from unsafe flying and
tha
is wrong.

Better to find a way to reward the good shepherd for his proper an
humane decision?

Always controversial, not always correct
Jim

Strange thing is that for Task 2 in the 18 meter class where supposedly two gliders bumped with minimal damage...There are no two gliders scored with identical distance.

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 7:45:56 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
Strange thing is that for Task 2 in the 18 meter class where supposedly two gliders bumped with minimal damage...There are no two gliders scored with identical distance.

12 Jan; Day 3; two ASG29E's tied at 28.5 km. You can download the IGC files and replay the incident. Fairly aggressive pre-start between the two...

Doh! Wrong day

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:53:39 PM UTC-8, Dan Daly wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 7:45:56 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
Strange thing is that for Task 2 in the 18 meter class where supposedly two gliders bumped with minimal damage...There are no two gliders scored with identical distance.

12 Jan; Day 3; two ASG29E's tied at 28.5 km. You can download the IGC files and replay the incident. Fairly aggressive pre-start between the two...

Where can I find the IGC files?
Thanks

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 3:02:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:53:39 PM UTC-8, Dan Daly wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 7:45:56 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
Strange thing is that for Task 2 in the 18 meter class where supposedly two gliders bumped with minimal damage...There are no two gliders scored with identical distance.

12 Jan; Day 3; two ASG29E's tied at 28.5 km. You can download the IGC files and replay the incident. Fairly aggressive pre-start between the two....

Where can I find the IGC files?
Thanks

There are IGC files for each competitor; go to http://wgc2017.com/results(hidden)/d...Metre#dayStart ; then scroll down to contest IDs HK and LK; they're links, click on the ids to download. You should get . 12 Jan for the touch... they have not posted any IGC files for the day with the loss of gliders. This is consistent with the mid-air at WGC Uvalde, when the incident glider IGC files were not released.

I think this is a pity; reconstruction would be useful at safety meetings.

At 20:02 15 January 2017, wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:53:39 PM UTC-8, Dan Daly wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 7:45:56 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
Strange thing is that for Task 2 in the 18 meter class where
supposedly
two gliders bumped with minimal damage...There are no two gliders scored
with identical distance.

12 Jan; Day 3; two ASG29E's tied at 28.5 km. You can download the IGC
files and replay the incident. Fairly aggressive pre-start between the
two...

Where can I find the IGC files?
Thanks


You can find them here,
http://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/34t...alla-gld-2017/
Click, Task & results, then the, class you want to view, then the pilots
comp (CN) number, it should then open up in whatever system you are using,
See You etc.