LS 4 vs ASW 20

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 10:37:34 AM UTC-5, Jacopo Romei wrote:
Your opinions please.

Some crowdsourced opinion he
http://www.gliderreview.com/comparin...-schneider-ls4

For what it's worth... the way you are assigning "class" is problematic. Club Class is just an overlay on top of the original FAI classes. So, the ASW-20 is 15 meter class and the LS4 is standard class. All LS4 models can also complete in IGC Club Class; some ASW-20 models can.

Both lovely gliders.

- on LS-4 annual support fee

- on ASW-20 manual elevator hookup on first model "A". Considerable
attrition because of this.

The flap limit speeds must be taken seriously on the 20, especially the "A"

model extreme landing flap.

The B and C models got those items fixed plus got a good disc brake.

Very good to hear that there's brake mods for the LS-4.

Both will come with 80s vintage trailer.

Some folks have managed to mix up spoiler and gear handle in the 20. Much

harder to do in the 4.

My old club got a complaint that there was no airspeed on the 4 - which
managed just fine on tow and landing. The fin pitot was taped over.

Similarly you don't want to forget mounting the pitot static probe on the
20.

As for Twin Astir trailers, you are not allowed to land out unless you have
at
least four strong fellas plus yourself available for designing.

The DG-1000 can be derigged with three when the local XC kamikaze gets
carried away with optimism.

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 7:30:05 AM UTC+3, George Haeh wrote:
Both lovely gliders.

- on LS-4 annual support fee

- on ASW-20 manual elevator hookup on first model "A". Considerable
attrition because of this.

The flap limit speeds must be taken seriously on the 20, especially the "A"

model extreme landing flap.

The B and C models got those items fixed plus got a good disc brake.

Very good to hear that there's brake mods for the LS-4.

Both will come with 80s vintage trailer.

Some folks have managed to mix up spoiler and gear handle in the 20. Much

harder to do in the 4.

My old club got a complaint that there was no airspeed on the 4 - which
managed just fine on tow and landing. The fin pitot was taped over.

Similarly you don't want to forget mounting the pitot static probe on the
20.

As for Twin Astir trailers, you are not allowed to land out unless you have
at
least four strong fellas plus yourself available for designing.

The DG-1000 can be derigged with three when the local XC kamikaze gets
carried away with optimism.

I've rigged and derigged the DG1000 with one other person, one wing stand, and the trailer fuselage cradle. This does however require one of the people to know what they're doing and have done it a few times.

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 8:30:05 PM UTC-8, George Haeh wrote:

- on ASW-20 manual elevator hookup on first model "A". Considerable
attrition because of this.

A true statement for moderately fatal values of "attrition."

All else being equal, for any two gliders choose the one with automatic control connections.

--Bob K.

For what it's worth... the way you are assigning "class" is problematic.

I am aware of this issue. Thanks for pointing this out though.
So far I relied on Wikipedia's assigning, but I understand (by reading the rules) that Club class is a "virtual" class.

Do you think I should *never* mention the Club class and stick to the original class assignment? Do you think it should be the case for every glider possibly assignable to Club class?

Thank you, learning a lot! :-)

--
Jacopo