Aerobatic Two Seat Gliders?

If price is an issue, I wonder how you plan to stay current. Tows with my B4 are roughly 40 euro to 3500ft.

If you are set on being able to do aerobatics, why not look for a 21 or DG-1000 and try to pay the glider back using aerobatic rides?

My club offers these on our DGs and people happily pay 75 euros for a tow to 2500ft with some loops and chandelles.

I personally like the 21 over the DG, but the latter probably offers better value for money, due to the wider weight restrictions and increased glide performance.

Have flown 21,DG and Fox. Own a B4.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 10:03:45 AM UTC+1, wrote:
If price is an issue, I wonder how you plan to stay current. Tows with my B4 are roughly 40 euro to 3500ft.

I average about 100 glider flights a year. I stay current. In the winter, too. It's not about currency. It's not even about what I can afford. It's about how much I'm willing to spend on something that's frivolously for fun. (I also do power aerobatics at 249 Euro/hour.)

If you are set on being able to do aerobatics, why not look for a 21 or DG-1000 and try to pay the glider back using aerobatic rides?

$100,000 for a DG-1000 is over $1,000/month at 5% for 10 years. I'm not going to "pay that back using aerobatic rides."

There is currently a 1983 K-21 listed with an asking price of 69,000 Euro ($77,000). It will likely sell for close to that. My budget is about $35,000..


My club offers these on our DGs and people happily pay 75 euros for a tow to 2500ft with some loops and chandelles.

Why only to 2,500 ft? That only gives 1,000' for aerobatics. I've seen people pay $200 for a tow to 4,000' for an aerobatic ride.

Have flown 21,DG and Fox. Own a B4.

Same as above except I've only flown a B4 rather than owning one. Rather like the B4 actually.

I am asking for help in finding an aerobatic capable two seat glider that I can use for an occasional contest at my basic level and give some training.. An SGS 2-32 might do loops and rolls, but likely not much else for sportsman aerobatics. Picking on my budget or suggesting gliders that I've clearly indicated are outside my price range by a factor of 2 or 3 does not help.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 12:45:17 PM UTC+3, Terry Pitts wrote:
On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 10:03:45 AM UTC+1, wrote:
If price is an issue, I wonder how you plan to stay current. Tows with my B4 are roughly 40 euro to 3500ft.

I average about 100 glider flights a year. I stay current. In the winter, too. It's not about currency. It's not even about what I can afford. It's about how much I'm willing to spend on something that's frivolously for fun.. (I also do power aerobatics at 249 Euro/hour.)

If you are set on being able to do aerobatics, why not look for a 21 or DG-1000 and try to pay the glider back using aerobatic rides?

$100,000 for a DG-1000 is over $1,000/month at 5% for 10 years. I'm not going to "pay that back using aerobatic rides."

About $1060, yes. If, as you say (and I agree), people will pay $200 for an aerobatic ride, then that's only five flights a month. Seven if it's $50 for a tow and $150 for the glider.

Capacity-wise, you could do that in a day.

Seems like it's a matter of marketing, not finance.

For 35k I can't help you.

Single seaters like the B4 or Salto are within reach, with a good trailer and some spare change for instruments and maintainance.

2 seats for 35k, that's about a Grob Twin 1 which does aerobatics reasonably well.

I recall doing aerobatics in a Twin Astir, FWIW.

On 1/22/2017 2:08 PM, Tango Whisky wrote:
2 seats for 35k, that's about a Grob Twin 1 which does aerobatics reasonably well.

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Dan, 5J

On 1/22/2017 4:45 AM, Terry Pitts wrote:
An SGS 2-32 might do loops and rolls, but likely not much else for sportsman aerobatics.

Well then you can also eliminate the Krosno, which (at least in my copy
of the flight manual) doesn't even include rolls in its approved
maneuvers list. As a basic trainer and a glider rides bird I LOVE the
Krosno, and have more time in it than any other glider. But I have
trouble seeing it as an aero trainer.

We used to have a KR-03 in the fleet where I did commercial rides. VNE is (from memory) not much over 100kts. Very easy to exceed that in any sort of botched maneuver. I did some dual aerobatic instruction in a Blanik L-13AC, which was actually quite nice. Better roll rate than the Grob 103 and a relatively decent VNE. Spins nicely.

The type certificate data sheets and AD history for all of the gliders you've listed are available online. I'd spend some time going through those as well as online copies of POHs. Especially if you are planning to take others up, it would be nice if you were operating within the current limitations. For example, Service Bulletin SA-003 prohibits aerobatics in Schweizer gliders overriding the POH (answering the question about an SGS-2-32).

The IS28B2 is well within your budget. It might suit your needs.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 11:43:13 PM UTC-8, Eurofighter wrote:
The IS28B2 is well within your budget. It might suit your needs.




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one for sale on W&W for $24K, in Oregon.