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On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
In my extremely limited experience flying with Flarm, I find that it's a
great situational awareness tool. I've had it alert me of a glider
overtaking me and it was nice to know there was another glider in the
vicinity. For close flying (formation, gaggles), you just can't beat
the Mk-I eyeball.

I currently have all the range settings at maximum for my amusement,
being the only glider in the sky this time of year (except for today,
Billy Hill flew with me in the wave). It also allows me to get used to
it so I can tighten up the settings so as to not be disturbed with
meaningless information.

On 1/11/2017 12:07 PM, Tom BravoMike wrote:
I've flown in gaggles. I don't see how any electronic displays and/or sounds can replace "see and avoid" attitude in a gaggle, with distances of just tens of meters. You have to turn your neck/head/eyes around all the time rather than be distracted by the instruments. I believe devices like FLARM are useful at distances slightly bigger than those in a gaggle. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no experience flying with FLARM.

Tom BravoMike


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Dan, 5J

Please, anyone who thinks ATC will route traffic around them when they only show up as a primary target should actually visit ATC and see what they have to contend with. Move too slowly (i.e. circling) and you will be eliminated from their screen altogether. When displayed your target will be easily overlooked.

Anyone flying in the Reno/Minden area should be equipped with a transponder, preferably a mode S. If you are so close you can see which seats are empty you are WAY TOO CLOSE! If you are joking you are a fool.

Tom

Please, anyone who thinks ATC will route traffic around them when they only show up as a primary target should actually visit ATC and see what they have to contend with. Move too slowly (i.e. circling) and you will be eliminated from their screen altogether. When displayed your target will be easily overlooked.

Anyone flying in the Reno/Minden area should be equipped with a transponder, preferably a mode S. If you are so close you can see which seats are empty you are WAY TOO CLOSE! If you are joking you are a fool.

Tom

Radio exchange with the local approach controller: 'Are you monitoring 1202?' 'Ah - gliders - no, got them filtered out - there are just too many of them!' insert the sound the little birdie makes, when it comes out of the door of a cuckoo clock here

On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 11:54:18 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
In my extremely limited experience flying with Flarm, I find that it's a
great situational awareness tool. I've had it alert me of a glider
overtaking me and it was nice to know there was another glider in the
vicinity. For close flying (formation, gaggles), you just can't beat
the Mk-I eyeball.

I currently have all the range settings at maximum for my amusement,
being the only glider in the sky this time of year (except for today,
Billy Hill flew with me in the wave). It also allows me to get used to
it so I can tighten up the settings so as to not be disturbed with
meaningless information.

On 1/11/2017 12:07 PM, Tom BravoMike wrote:
I've flown in gaggles. I don't see how any electronic displays and/or sounds can replace "see and avoid" attitude in a gaggle, with distances of just tens of meters. You have to turn your neck/head/eyes around all the time rather than be distracted by the instruments. I believe devices like FLARM are useful at distances slightly bigger than those in a gaggle. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no experience flying with FLARM.

Tom BravoMike


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Dan, 5J

Please, anyone who thinks ATC will route traffic around them when they only show up as a primary target should actually visit ATC and see what they have to contend with. Move too slowly (i.e. circling) and you will be eliminated from their screen altogether. When displayed your target will be easily overlooked.

Anyone flying in the Reno/Minden area should be equipped with a transponder, preferably a mode S. If you are so close you can see which seats are empty you are WAY TOO CLOSE! If you are joking you are a fool.

Tom

Well I've been that close (before I installed a Mode S transponder) and I didn't like it all that much. I didn't have much choice in the matter as I was doing 60 knots and they were doing 250. Prior to the transponder, monitoring ATC it was clear they could (often) see me and attempted to route traffic around me, but some frustration could be inferred from the conversation.. With Mode S their job is much easier, and I wonder if it would be easier still with ADSB. With ADSB in, At least I can see them coming.

I understand about filtering slow-moving targets, like geese, and
filtering out a particular transponder code (1202) but, since I
installed my Mode S transponder 4 or 5 years ago, I have not seen an
airliner or business jet up close. Even though ATC might have filtered
me out, the TCAS equipped aircraft see me directly. I don't know about
the ADS-B In equipped aircraft...

I do recall, from 30 years ago, a student solo flight in a 1-26, when I
heard the rising sound of an engine and propeller coming towards me. I
never saw him... I didn't like that very much and I hope to never
experience it again. Damage was limited to minor seat cushion deformity.

On 1/24/2017 10:58 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 11:54:18 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
In my extremely limited experience flying with Flarm, I find that it's a
great situational awareness tool. I've had it alert me of a glider
overtaking me and it was nice to know there was another glider in the
vicinity. For close flying (formation, gaggles), you just can't beat
the Mk-I eyeball.

I currently have all the range settings at maximum for my amusement,
being the only glider in the sky this time of year (except for today,
Billy Hill flew with me in the wave). It also allows me to get used to
it so I can tighten up the settings so as to not be disturbed with
meaningless information.

On 1/11/2017 12:07 PM, Tom BravoMike wrote:
I've flown in gaggles. I don't see how any electronic displays and/or sounds can replace "see and avoid" attitude in a gaggle, with distances of just tens of meters. You have to turn your neck/head/eyes around all the time rather than be distracted by the instruments. I believe devices like FLARM are useful at distances slightly bigger than those in a gaggle. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no experience flying with FLARM.

Tom BravoMike

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Dan, 5J
Please, anyone who thinks ATC will route traffic around them when they only show up as a primary target should actually visit ATC and see what they have to contend with. Move too slowly (i.e. circling) and you will be eliminated from their screen altogether. When displayed your target will be easily overlooked.

Anyone flying in the Reno/Minden area should be equipped with a transponder, preferably a mode S. If you are so close you can see which seats are empty you are WAY TOO CLOSE! If you are joking you are a fool.

Tom
Well I've been that close (before I installed a Mode S transponder) and I didn't like it all that much. I didn't have much choice in the matter as I was doing 60 knots and they were doing 250. Prior to the transponder, monitoring ATC it was clear they could (often) see me and attempted to route traffic around me, but some frustration could be inferred from the conversation. With Mode S their job is much easier, and I wonder if it would be easier still with ADSB. With ADSB in, At least I can see them coming.

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Dan, 5J