Could the Press Grow a Spine?

On 24 Jun 2004 13:56:48 -0700, (WalterM140) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
On 24 Jun 2004 14:13:20 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

The constitution was intact until Bush was elected.

Arthur Kramer

OK, Art. Put up. What part of the Constitution is no longer intact?

Article One.

Commentary on the News Hour last night indicated that since the
Congress is charged with regulation of the armed forces, Bush usurped
that power by trying to dictate how prisoners would be treated.
Ooops.

What part of Commander-in-Chief escapes you? Pick up a book on
Constitutional Law and you'll find that the "regulation of the armed
forces" applies to how the members of the force shall be governed and
treated. This is handled through the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which is still in force. You may even note its application against the
criminals of Abu Ghraib.

The legal experts they had said that most of the documents released by
the White House dealt with how to twist the law so as to avoid being
charged with felonies. Disgusting.

Not "legal experts" but democrats in the Congress in an election year.
As I recall, it was your favorite president and fellatee who debated
what the meaning of "is" is. What legal experts? What documents? What
law? Who charged? The current occupant of the White House has not been
charged with any felonies. Harder to say that about his predecessor.

Bush is the worst president -ever- and he has to go.

"So let it be written, so let it be done..." Walt has spoken. QED.

Broaden your scope, Walt. Stop mouthing sound bites. Avoid repetition
of the last thing you've heard. Don't continually repost the same
single view that supports your contention. Get out of the house more.
And, stop posting news stories from 2000--a lot has happened since
then, and they weren't that important even when they were current.



Walt

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

OK, Art. Put up. What part of the Constitution is no longer intact?

Article One.

Commentary on the News Hour last night indicated that since the
Congress is charged with regulation of the armed forces, Bush usurped
that power by trying to dictate how prisoners would be treated.
Ooops.

What part of Commander-in-Chief escapes you?

What part of separation of powers escapes you?

The founding fathers were very concerned about usurpation of power by the
executive branch.

Bush has usurped the Constitution and he has to go.

Walt

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

What part of separation of powers escapes you?

The founding fathers were very concerned about usurpation of power by the
executive branch.

Bush has usurped the Constitution and he has to go.


Please. The last thing the left wants is Constitutional government.

lease. The last thing the left wants is Constitutional government.

I could not find anything in US Constitution that allows Pentagon Generals to
plan and execute PSYOPs aganist their own civilian superiors in Washington or
aganist Sayered Duvdevan in Iraq.

If you could find something please let me know.

Cheers

Denyav wrote:
I could not find anything in US Constitution that allows Pentagon Generals
to
plan and execute PSYOPs aganist their own civilian superiors in Washington
or
aganist Sayered Duvdevan in Iraq.

Dood, I'd ask you for some of that **** you been smoking, except
that whatever it is, it clearly causes you to make a raving ass of
yourself every time you open your mouth (or touch fingers to
keyboard, anyway).


Jeff

"Denyav" wrote in message
...

I could not find anything in US Constitution that allows Pentagon Generals
to
plan and execute PSYOPs aganist their own civilian superiors in Washington
or
aganist Sayered Duvdevan in Iraq.

If you could find something please let me know.


What has that to do with my message?

I could not find anything in US Constitution that allows Pentagon Generals
to
plan and execute PSYOPs aganist their own civilian superiors in Washington
or
aganist Sayered Duvdevan in Iraq.

If you could find something please let me know.


What has that to do with my message?

Who is the source of Seymour Hersh?
Why his source is releasing (leaking) only the evidence that incriminate
Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld-George.W trio as well as Sayered Duvdevan personel in Iraq?


Apparently Generals decided not to wait till elections and launched their own
PSYOP aganist their superiors.
Probably they concluded that George W.will be reelected and Rumsfeld and
Wolfowitz will keep their respective jobs.

Generals who disagree with their superiors are expected to step down,not to
launch sinister operations aganist superiors.

I dont think that the latter behaviour is protected by the Constutition.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...

Who is the source of Seymour Hersh?


Let me guess, Mother Hersh?

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

(Snip)

What part of separation of powers escapes you?

The founding fathers were very concerned about usurpation of power by the
executive branch.

Bush has usurped the Constitution and he has to go.

He doesn't need to have usurped Constitutional powers to justify turning him
out.....lying to the Congress and to the public to justify starting a war ought
to be enough by itself.

George Z.

Bush has usurped the Constitution and he has to go.

He doesn't need to have usurped Constitutional powers to justify turning him
out.....lying to the Congress and to the public to justify starting a war
ought
to be enough by itself.

George Z.


Of course that is 100% correct.

Even if the Bush administration stumble bums along to Iraqi elections next
year, Bush should still be replaced for lying about the justifications for the
war and then screwing it up.

Saw this exchange on Hardball the other night:

[Campbell] BROWN:Â* I want to ask you, you talk about accountability.Â* Tell me
the story of what you told President Bush about firing Vice President Cheney
and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.Â*

BIDEN:Â* Well, the president kidded me about that this morning at the White
House.Â*

The president asked me in another meeting several weeks ago why am I calling
for Cheney‘s res—excuse me—Rumsfeld‘s resignation.Â* I said, Mr.
President, let‘s get straight what happened.Â* I was asked, if I were
president, what would I do with the secretary?Â* I said, if I were president, I
would fire Rumsfeld.Â* But that‘s not my decision.Â*

And I went on to say facetiously, I said, as a matter of fact—and I said this
to the president with Cheney there—I said, Mr. President, I also said, were
it not for the fact it was a constitutional office, I would fire the vice
president as well.Â* And I said, Mr. Vice President, you know what respect I
have for you.Â* But the advice you‘ve given the president on the major
decisions that had to be made since Saddam‘s statue fell off the pedestal
have been mistaken.Â*

And, Mr. President, it is time to change course.Â* It is not about
personalities.Â* It is about, they were given the wrong advice."Â*

[end]

The Bush administration has screwed up the conduct of the war. It ddn't have
to go the way it has. We didn't -have- to invade Iraq at all, per General
Zinni and General Hoar, and others. It played right into Al Qaeda's hands. I
bought some gas yesterday for $1.79/gal. Thank -goodness- it's come down from
$2.00/gal.

But our State Department has published at least 2 calls for Americans to leave
Saudi Arabia. If that happened, what would the cost of gasoline be then?

This is a fourth generation, asymmetrical war. We are flailing in the air
with Armor chasing millitants with AK's and RPG's through neighborhoods in Iraq
-- which is a useless, dstracting exercise in the war on terror, while Al Qaeda
strikes our center of gravity (or one of them) by de-stabilizing Saudi Arabia.

People should also note how the State Department's course is diverging away
from the rest of the Administration. Re-do the 2003 terror figures? Show it
as the worst year for terror in 20 years? What's up with that? How is that
going to help get Bush re-elected, something that surely Sec. Powell wants.
And what -about- this call for all Amercans to leave Saudia Arabia? I thought
we were going to stay the course?

We -have- to get Bush out of there. He and his ideologues are diminishing our
power and our ability to prevail. We could really -lose- this war. We really
could see Depression era unemployment rates, and a loss of economic power that
wouldn't support much of a defense establishment.

People need to wake up on all this. These are very dangerous times.

Walt