Tow Plane Upsets......

The Tost Reel and guillotine system has its own set of issues and is itself controversial. My club used two of them for several years and later abandoned the system in favor of the straight Tost release.
If somebody wants details - start a different thread.
ROY

On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 9:03:34 AM UTC-5, Roy B. wrote:
The Tost Reel and guillotine system has its own set of issues and is itself controversial. My club used two of them for several years and later abandoned the system in favor of the straight Tost release.
If somebody wants details - start a different thread.
ROY

Roy, would you PM me at kirk.stant at gmail.com? I'm curious about what problems you had with your Tost reel systems.

Cheers,

Kirk
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We train boxing the wake, cannot release and slack rope recovery, and
expect
demonstration of some or all of these items on checkouts.

Hands up anybody who trains release when high on the towplane?

If students have never done this, how can we expect them to do it when
needed before or after license?

I basically taught, "you lose sight of the towplane, you release". Yes, maybe a quick stab at the rudder will find the towplane again under your nose, then again, maybe not.

Yes, I know that's taught, but does anybody put the student high so that
release is required.

Just as with spins, there's a difference between being told what to do -
and
actually going into the situation.

I am not a CFI. What would the risk be to doing that training? Particularly to the tow pilot?

At 03:16 26 April 2017, Charles Longley wrote:
I am not a CFI. What would the risk be to doing that training?
Particularly
to the tow pilot?

Maybe the answer is for the instructor to release whenever the student gets
high and it is safe to do so. The student may then get the message?

Le mercredi 26 avril 2017 03:45:04 UTC+2, George Haeh a écritÂ*:
Yes, I know that's taught, but does anybody put the student high so that
release is required.

Just as with spins, there's a difference between being told what to do -
and
actually going into the situation.

Putting a student high so that a release is required would be plain stupid and reckless behaviour of an instructor.
Any exercise needs to be planned in a way that the student has some room for error, and that the instructor can recover the situation if the student finally fails to do so.
In a high position there is no such margin. There are situations which just can't be trained.

Bert
TW

On Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:11:04 UTC+10, Tango Whisky wrote:

In a high position there is no such margin. There are situations which just can't be trained.

Can you kite in Condor or Silent Wings?

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 4:11:04 AM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le mercredi 26 avril 2017 03:45:04 UTC+2, George Haeh a écritÂ*:
Yes, I know that's taught, but does anybody put the student high so that
release is required.

Just as with spins, there's a difference between being told what to do -
and
actually going into the situation.

Putting a student high so that a release is required would be plain stupid and reckless behaviour of an instructor.
Any exercise needs to be planned in a way that the student has some room for error, and that the instructor can recover the situation if the student finally fails to do so.
In a high position there is no such margin. There are situations which just can't be trained.

Bert
TW

What can't be trained is the dangerous divergent situation. Agreed on all else.

-Evan / T8