Are We -Already- Conquered and Ruined?

From: "tim gueguen"
Date: 7/4/2004 11:42 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: JrWFc.955589$Pk3.432097@pd7tw1no


"WalterM140" wrote in message
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"WASHINGTON - The government needs to establish guidelines for canceling
or
rescheduling elections if terrorists strike the United States again, says
the
chairman of a new federal voting commission.

Such guidelines do not currently exist, said DeForest B. Soaries, head of
the
voting panel."

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews...9_20040625.htm

Cancelling an election. That is pretty much what the Bushies want.

You sound exactly like the kooks during the Clinton Admin who spent years
wringing their hands about all the schemes Clinton was going to use to
declare martial law and make himself President for Life.

tim gueguen 101867

Maybe walt switched sides?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

The terrorist would like nothing better than perform an act of terror to
change the out come of an American Election like they did in Spain. I
believe that if Gore had won in 2000, 9-11 would have been deal with the
same manor as the first Twin Towers attack in 93. (NOTHING). I also Believe
that Kerry is not a strong enough candidate to become president when it
comes to OUR safety. He has voted many times against new weapon systems that
has made are Military strong. Under Clinton's White House Kerry helped to
make our Military weaker buy Numbers, and equipment. Those better body armor
Kerry was yelling about for our troops weren't funded because he didn't see
a need for them in 1996.
IF an attack happens again here in the states, which I do believe is coming,
(because of our long standing open door policies) from with in our borders.
Than the election should be rescheduled for a brief period to calm the panic
down in the country first. People in groups are dumb, and are prone to
panic. A person is smart, but does not control all.
"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "tim gueguen"
Date: 7/4/2004 11:42 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: JrWFc.955589$Pk3.432097@pd7tw1no


"WalterM140" wrote in message
...
"WASHINGTON - The government needs to establish guidelines for
canceling
or
rescheduling elections if terrorists strike the United States again,
says
the
chairman of a new federal voting commission.

Such guidelines do not currently exist, said DeForest B. Soaries, head
of
the
voting panel."

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews...9_20040625.htm

Cancelling an election. That is pretty much what the Bushies want.

You sound exactly like the kooks during the Clinton Admin who spent years
wringing their hands about all the schemes Clinton was going to use to
declare martial law and make himself President for Life.

tim gueguen 101867

Maybe walt switched sides?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Bill & Susan Maddux" wrote in message
om...
The terrorist would like nothing better than perform an act of terror to
change the out come of an American Election like they did in Spain. I
believe that if Gore had won in 2000, 9-11 would have been deal with the
same manor as the first Twin Towers attack in 93. (NOTHING).

********.

tim gueguen 101867

"tim gueguen" wrote:

"Bill & Susan Maddux" wrote in message
om...
The terrorist would like nothing better than perform an act of terror to
change the out come of an American Election like they did in Spain. I
believe that if Gore had won in 2000, 9-11 would have been deal with the
same manor as the first Twin Towers attack in 93. (NOTHING).

********.

The Embassy bombings in 1998 didn't generate much of a response from the
Clinton Administration (remember Gore was part of it) so your comment should
be directed at you, since the Maddux comment is probably closer to the truth
than yours.

"Brett" wrote in message
. ..
"tim gueguen" wrote:

"Bill & Susan Maddux" wrote in message
om...
The terrorist would like nothing better than perform an act of terror
to
change the out come of an American Election like they did in Spain. I
believe that if Gore had won in 2000, 9-11 would have been deal with
the
same manor as the first Twin Towers attack in 93. (NOTHING).

********.

The Embassy bombings in 1998 didn't generate much of a response from the
Clinton Administration (remember Gore was part of it)

Which was not a direct attack on United States territory, didn't cause
billions of dollars of damage to New York City and the Pentagon, and didn't
kill 3000 plus US citizens in their own country.

so your comment should
be directed at you, since the Maddux comment is probably closer to the
truth
than yours.

If you really think a Gore admin wouldn't have gone out and stomped on the
Taliban as the Bush admin did you need to take those partisan blinders off.

tim gueguen 101867

"tim gueguen" wrote in message
news:kqzGc.969780$Pk3.439395@pd7tw1no...

"Brett" wrote in message
. ..
"tim gueguen" wrote:

"Bill & Susan Maddux" wrote in message
om...
The terrorist would like nothing better than perform an act of
terror
to
change the out come of an American Election like they did in Spain.
I
believe that if Gore had won in 2000, 9-11 would have been deal with
the
same manor as the first Twin Towers attack in 93. (NOTHING).

********.

The Embassy bombings in 1998 didn't generate much of a response from the
Clinton Administration (remember Gore was part of it)

Which was not a direct attack on United States territory,

A US Embassy is considered US territory so it would be a direct attack.

didn't cause
billions of dollars of damage to New York City and the Pentagon, and
didn't
kill 3000 plus US citizens in their own country.

so your comment should
be directed at you, since the Maddux comment is probably closer to the
truth
than yours.

If you really think a Gore admin wouldn't have gone out and stomped on the
Taliban

A couple of cruise missiles directed at nearly empty training camps.

as the Bush admin did you need to take those partisan blinders off.

The person with the blinders on is you. Gore would still be running an
opinion poll today to determine what should be the countries future course
of action following the attacks.

"Brett" wrote in message
...
"tim gueguen" wrote in message
news:kqzGc.969780$Pk3.439395@pd7tw1no...

"Brett" wrote in message
. ..
"tim gueguen" wrote:

"Bill & Susan Maddux" wrote in message
om...
The terrorist would like nothing better than perform an act of
terror
to
change the out come of an American Election like they did in
Spain.
I
believe that if Gore had won in 2000, 9-11 would have been deal
with
the
same manor as the first Twin Towers attack in 93. (NOTHING).

********.

The Embassy bombings in 1998 didn't generate much of a response from
the
Clinton Administration (remember Gore was part of it)

Which was not a direct attack on United States territory,

A US Embassy is considered US territory so it would be a direct attack.

But not to Joe Q. Public, and certainly not the way an attack on New York
is.

didn't cause
billions of dollars of damage to New York City and the Pentagon, and
didn't
kill 3000 plus US citizens in their own country.

so your comment should
be directed at you, since the Maddux comment is probably closer to the
truth
than yours.

If you really think a Gore admin wouldn't have gone out and stomped on
the
Taliban

A couple of cruise missiles directed at nearly empty training camps.

They would have done a lot more than that. They would have had no choice
given public opinion.

as the Bush admin did you need to take those partisan blinders off.

The person with the blinders on is you.

Got it backwards. Looking at US foreign policy from the outside one doesn't
see huge differences in behaviour between the 2 parties.

tim gueguen 101867

"Brett" wrote in
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The person with the blinders on is you. Gore would still be running an
opinion poll today to determine what should be the countries future
course of action following the attacks.


Or looking for "permission" to do something after surrendering US
sovereignity to the UN.
(Permission from a majority of non-democratic countries.)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

tim gueguen wrote:

If you really think a Gore admin wouldn't have gone out and stomped on the
Taliban as the Bush admin did you need to take those partisan blinders off.

Perhaps.

But I think a Gore admin would have been more "multi-lateral",
waiting for the world to dictate what a "proper" American
response should be.

It would have been considered more a criminal act, requiring
evidence to be gathered, persons apprehended and trials being
conducted. Not the act of war response of Bush.

I'd call attacks against US embassies and naval ships to be acts
of war, but they didn't seem to elicit much of a response
beyond the "we will hunt down the perps" speeches and a few
cruise missiles landing *somewhere*, where the act of launching
is the response, and the effect they have secondary.

In all fairness to Clinton, there was no popular support for
an attack against Afghanistan or anywhere else. A cruise
missile launch was about all that would have been supported
I think.

However, it is the job of a President to lead, not do what
polls tell him to do, and I think Clinton did pretty much
what the polls told him to do.


SMH

But I think a Gore admin would have been more "multi-lateral",
waiting for the world to dictate what a "proper" American
response should be.

It would have been considered more a criminal act, requiring
evidence to be gathered, persons apprehended and trials being
conducted. Not the act of war response of Bush.

Yes it would definitely have been more of a law enforcement (FBI, Interpol,
etc) response.

Only problem with that , it requires excellent intelligence, or else you find
yourself investigating and pursueing terrorists after they have struck.

Our Humint was too emasculated in the past to be able to rely on police and
intel to stop terrorists. Acting preemptively overseas to kill terrorists, is
going to be a part of modern Anti terrorism operations. Other countries might
get their feelings hurt, but so be it.

European public showed sympathy when we were struck, but that changed as soon
as we opted to do something about it in Afghanistan, even though many european
countries are involved in Afgh.





Ron
PA-31T Cheyenne II
Maharashtra Weather Modification Program
Pune, India