For Keith Willshaw...

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
What HM gov't would do if they received a specific terror warning for
London?
1)Issue a terror alert for London
2)Issue terror alerts for Montevideo,Montreal,Athens and Cairo,but not
for
London.

Which one would be the correct response?


None of the above, they would issue the orders
necessary to counter the threat, as has been done many times

Nice way of dodging some questions.


Nope its an accurate answer

A view that was overturned by every subsequent inquiry and
was self serving, their major interest was proving that it
wasnt the fault of the USN.


Only twice Kimmel and/or his kin were given opportunity to present their
their
case and evidences,in Naval court of Inquiry and in 90s during
Congressional
mini probe,and both panels,what a surprise,concluded that Kimmel should be
exonarated.


Horsefeathers, there were MANY inquiries and Kimmel testified during many
of them and the 1946 congressional inquiry contains the following paragraph

"All parties in interest have attested to the fact that they have been
afforded a full, fair, and impartial public hearing before the
committee. All witnesses who retained counsel-Admiral Stark, Admiral
Kimmel, and General Short-were given the opportunity to be examined by
their counsel if they so desired, and to submit questions to committee
counsel to be asked other witnesses."



Irrelevant

This word seems to be the most frequenly used word by the custodians of
Pearl
Harbor conspiracy when they face hard evidence.


Which is inevitable when irrelevant issues are raised.

BRITISH Government was unwilling to
declassify
material relevant to the Pearl Harbor intelligence issue because it was
subject to the
UK-USA Intelligence Agreement, they made no complaint about US files
being withheld

I was referring to Crane files not British files.Sen.Thurman and
Rep.Sprnce
were denied access to these files in 90s.

And yet Stinnet claims that they are in the bnational archive
http://www.independent.org/tii/news/021202Stinnett.html


In other words Mr.Willshaw,representatives of American people
investigating
Pearl Harbor incident were denied access to almost 60 year old files.


They stated not

Trouble is the 12 subsequent inquiries, including the extremely through
1946 congressional investigation ALL overthrew that result.

Kimmel just made too many mistakes.

Actualy Army Board of investigation report was much more damaging for
FDR-Stimson-Marshall trio than Navy version.

Hardly

Marshall offered his resignation after Army report.

Arndt started this thread and made a capital mistake by implying that UK
has
become a banana republic of US.
US was a banana republic for UK in 1941 also US was a UKs banana republic
in
2001.


No bananas here bwana, note the last thing Britain wanted in
1941 was war with Japan, it diverted massive resources
away from the war in Europe at a time when the Nazis
were only 150 miles away from London and the U-Boats
were sinling our merchant marine at an unsustainable rate.

Lord Rhodas' ideas sometimes realized by using Rhodas scholars. sometimes
by
using shock and awe methods.


That's Rhodes old boy, do try and get the name right
and he used cold hard cash to achieve his ends,
war wasnt profitable.

Heck,everbody is trying to find a Straussian (Neocon),Jewish,Israeli or
Southern Baptist connection in 21st century version of PH,but nobody is
looking for an Anglo connection.

As I said before,I admire British great gaming skills.



There arent too many southern baptists in London old son.

Keith

Nice way of dodging some questions.


Nope its an accurate answer

Very obviously.

public hearing before the
committee. All witnesses who retained counsel-Admiral Stark, Admiral
Kimmel, and General Short-were given the opportunity to be examined by
their counsel if they so desired, and to submit questions to committee
counsel to be asked other.

Monkey investigation designed by the designers of Pearl Harbor conspiracy to
white wash their actions .Members of congress were only allowed to see what
they allowed to see at that time.
See the minority report of the same.

Which is inevitable when irrelevant issues are raised.
Yeah Right,you made it clear before,every evidence if it points to a direction
other than offical direction is irrelevant.


And yet Stinnet claims that they are in the bnational archive
http://www.independent.org/tii/news/021202Stinnett.html


Yet the very same Stinnett claims that all Crane documents about intercepted
pre-Pearl Harbor JN25B dispatches have been removed from Archive II because of
NSA withdrawal notices and none of then are available to public scholars or
even Congressmen.
And thats the truth you can check it for yourself.
NSA have issued almost three dozen withdrawal notices for Crane documents up to
this date,almost all of them affecting solely pre Pearl Harbor documents.

They stated not

I am sure Sen.Thurman and Rep.Spence would strongly disagree with your
statement.

Hardly
Yeah right,then you must ask Marshall why he offered his resignation upon this
report?

No bananas here bwana, note the last thing Britain wanted in
1941 was war with Japan, it diverted massive resources
away from the war in Europe at a time when the Nazis
were only 150 miles away from

Actually nobody really wanted a war with Japan,but Japan was,unfortunately the
key to thrust America,a country with a big German-American population but ruled
by an Anglo-American minority,into the war aganist Germany .

"As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it more
difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues ,except in the
circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat"
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Grand Chessboard 1997.

The architect of Afghan trap was right on 1941,he was also proven right in
2001.
There arent too many southern baptists in London old son.

But the threat the London face now is much bigger than the threat represented
by the corporal or by the French Fleet,England survived under Roman rule and
would very probably would have survived under French or German rule,to say at
least.
Israelis have waited 2000 years to return to their homeland,they could easily
wait for another 200 years to create the Greater Israel,but its very doubtful
if England and London could afford to wait for 20 years.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Nice way of dodging some questions.


Nope its an accurate answer

Very obviously.

public hearing before the
committee. All witnesses who retained counsel-Admiral Stark, Admiral
Kimmel, and General Short-were given the opportunity to be examined by
their counsel if they so desired, and to submit questions to committee
counsel to be asked other.

Monkey investigation designed by the designers of Pearl Harbor conspiracy
to
white wash their actions .Members of congress were only allowed to see
what
they allowed to see at that time.

Quite the contary, the members of congress drove the inquiry
and were not part of the 1941 administration

See the minority report of the same.

Which is inevitable when irrelevant issues are raised.
Yeah Right,you made it clear before,every evidence if it points to a
direction
other than offical direction is irrelevant.


And yet Stinnet claims that they are in the bnational archive
http://www.independent.org/tii/news/021202Stinnett.html


Yet the very same Stinnett claims that all Crane documents about
intercepted
pre-Pearl Harbor JN25B dispatches have been removed from Archive II
because of
NSA withdrawal notices and none of then are available to public scholars
or
even Congressmen.

Actually he says they were transferred from the NSA to the
National Archive and that he got them from there

And thats the truth you can check it for yourself.

I have

NSA have issued almost three dozen withdrawal notices for Crane documents
up to
this date,almost all of them affecting solely pre Pearl Harbor documents.



Those withdrawals are alleged to have happpened in 1999, the congressional
inquiry you mentioned happened 6 years PRIOR to that date

They stated not

I am sure Sen.Thurman and Rep.Spence would strongly disagree with your
statement.

Hardly
Yeah right,then you must ask Marshall why he offered his resignation upon
this
report?


He was cheif of staff, any honorable man would do the samed

No bananas here bwana, note the last thing Britain wanted in
1941 was war with Japan, it diverted massive resources
away from the war in Europe at a time when the Nazis
were only 150 miles away from

Actually nobody really wanted a war with Japan,but Japan
was,unfortunately the
key to thrust America,a country with a big German-American population but
ruled
by an Anglo-American minority,into the war aganist Germany .


Incorrect, there was no treaty requirement for Germany to go to
war, Japan did NOT declare war on the USSR

"As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it
more
difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues ,except in the
circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external
threat"
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Grand Chessboard 1997.


More irrelevance

The architect of Afghan trap was right on 1941,he was also proven right in
2001.
There arent too many southern baptists in London old son.

But the threat the London face now is much bigger than the threat
represented
by the corporal or by the French Fleet,England survived under Roman rule
and
would very probably would have survived under French or German rule,to say
at
least.

Aint no threat from bananas bwana

Israelis have waited 2000 years to return to their homeland,they could
easily
wait for another 200 years to create the Greater Israel,but its very
doubtful
if England and London could afford to wait for 20 years.


So you think the Israelis are about to invade Britain !

ROTFLMAO

Keith

Actually he says they were transferred from the NSA to the
National Archive and that he got them from there

Actually the "Days of Deceipt" was based on the first batch of the Crane
documents transfered to College Park.
After the "Days of Deceipt" appeared late 1999,NSA suddenly started issuing
withdrawal notices.
Today all pre-Pearl Harbor dispatches,including ones that Stinnett was able to
see before publishing his book was removed from the Crane files.

And thats the truth you can check it for yourself.

I have

No,you did not,go to College Park and try to see the documents Stinnett
mentioned.
You won't see any now.

Those withdrawals are alleged to have happpened in 1999, the congressional
inquiry you mentioned happened 6 years PRIOR to that date

Transfer of Crane Documents started in 93/94,before 99 only first batch of
documents were released and they were the ones researched by Stinnett.
Congressmens asked for access to Naval storage Vault in Crane IN. in 1995.
Their requests were denied.

He was cheif of staff, any honorable man would do the samed

This honorable man, famous for his photographic memory ,was never be able to
remember his whereabouts on the eve of Pearl Harbor attack.

Memory gaps and word "irrelevant" are very common things in Pearl Harbor story.

Incorrect, there was no treaty requirement for Germany to go to
war, Japan did NOT declare war on the USSR

Both FDR and Churchill knew from Magic intercepts that Hitler had to declare
war on US in case of an US-Japan war.

"As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it
more
difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues ,except in the
circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external

threat"
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Grand Chessboard 1997.


More irrelevance

Actually its absolutely most important part of whole story,it explains why
Pearl Harbor and 9/11 happened and why new Pearl Harbors and 9/11s will happen
even more frequently.
Only one question remains:What are the foreign policy issues?
Are we talking about US foreign policy issues or foreign policy issues of
Anglos,residing in US and UK and in Downunder?

would very probably would have survived under French or German rule,to say
at
least.

Aint no threat from bananas bwana

Tell that to Sir David,David King to be sure.

So you think the Israelis are about to invade Britain !

No,I think 9/11 ,like its predecessor Pearl Harbor,was again a joint production
of Anglos on both sides of Atlantic.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Actually he says they were transferred from the NSA to the
National Archive and that he got them from there

Actually the "Days of Deceipt" was based on the first batch of the Crane
documents transfered to College Park.
After the "Days of Deceipt" appeared late 1999,NSA suddenly started
issuing
withdrawal notices.

Its 'Day of Deceit' do try and get SOMETHING right, there's a
good conspirowhacko

Today all pre-Pearl Harbor dispatches,including ones that Stinnett was
able to
see before publishing his book was removed from the Crane files.

And thats the truth you can check it for yourself.

I have

No,you did not,go to College Park and try to see the documents Stinnett
mentioned.
You won't see any now.


Nonexistent documents are hard to find.

Those withdrawals are alleged to have happpened in 1999, the
congressional
inquiry you mentioned happened 6 years PRIOR to that date

Transfer of Crane Documents started in 93/94,before 99 only first batch of
documents were released and they were the ones researched by Stinnett.
Congressmens asked for access to Naval storage Vault in Crane IN. in 1995.
Their requests were denied.


The inquiry you mentioned happened in 93.

He was cheif of staff, any honorable man would do the samed

This honorable man, famous for his photographic memory ,was never be able
to
remember his whereabouts on the eve of Pearl Harbor attack.


Actually he recalled it very well, read his memoirs.

Memory gaps and word "irrelevant" are very common things in Pearl Harbor
story.


Only amongst conspirowhackoes

Incorrect, there was no treaty requirement for Germany to go to
war, Japan did NOT declare war on the USSR

Both FDR and Churchill knew from Magic intercepts that Hitler had to
declare
war on US in case of an US-Japan war.


No they didnt, in fact the JAPANESE government was astonished
when Germany declared war.

"As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find
it
more
difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues ,except in
the
circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external

threat"
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Grand Chessboard 1997.


More irrelevance

Actually its absolutely most important part of whole story,it explains why
Pearl Harbor and 9/11 happened and why new Pearl Harbors and 9/11s will
happen
even more frequently.

Only in your demented brain.

Only one question remains:What are the foreign policy issues?
Are we talking about US foreign policy issues or foreign policy issues of
Anglos,residing in US and UK and in Downunder?

would very probably would have survived under French or German rule,to
say
at
least.

Aint no threat from bananas bwana

Tell that to Sir David,David King to be sure.


The only Sir Favid King I know is Chief Scientific Advisor to H. M.
Government and
Head of the Office of Science and Technology

So you think the Israelis are about to invade Britain !

No,I think 9/11 ,like its predecessor Pearl Harbor,was again a joint
production
of Anglos on both sides of Atlantic.


You are of course incorrect and totally nuts.

Keith




----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups
---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

ts 'Day of Deceit' do try and get SOMETHING right, there's a
good conspirowhacko


You are really good at correcting typos.
Nonexistent documents are hard to find.

Yeah right,specially after withdrawal notices for non existing documents were
issued


The inquiry you mentioned happened in 93.

They were denied access.period.

Actually he recalled it very well, read his memoirs.

Yeah right,after many years he remembered everything that he could not remember
before Joint Congressional Committee.
He had memory gap before Congressional panel,He lied in his memoirs.


Only amongst conspirowhackoes

Do you call Marchall and posters from other Echelon countries conspirowhackos?

No they didnt, in fact the JAPANESE government was astonished
when Germany declared war.

FDR-Churchill corresponce about Magic proves otherwise.
BTW which channel so called US President used for the discussions about magic
with Mr.Churchill.
Surely not an US one.


Only in your demented brain.


Actually the designer of the "Aghan Trap" is very good in setting traps and
also in exposing already set traps.
US is not an Anglo country,its a multi cultural country and the numbers of
Anglo-Americans in this country is much lower than German-Americans and
Irish-Americans.

Without Pearl Harbor Anglo-Centric policies of Anglo minority ruling class
could never win the support of non Anglo majority.

Similarily,without 9/11 policies of Anglo ruling class could not win the
support of broad population.

BTW What was the original intention of Lord Rhodes ?

The only Sir Favid King I know is Chief Scientific Advisor to H. M.
Government and
Head of the Office of Science and Technology

Congrulations,but do you also know that he exchanged some harsh words with
George W in latters residence and George W.sent an official letter about this
incident to Downing str.10 and complained about this British scientist?

You are of course incorrect and totally nuts.

Officials could only say what they are told to say.