Superior HK XM8 Kicks M4's Ass

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...
In message , robert
arndt writes
(B2431) wrote in message
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Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to
catch up with
us.

How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44

No, the Russians first invented the assault rifle in 1916 with the
Federov Avtomat.

Sorry, Mauser issued the first automatic rifles Flieger Selbslader
Karbiner in 1915 as aircraft observers guns. These were followed by
the experimental infantry Model 16 in 1916. The very first Mauser
experimental rifles were tested in 1908... well before the Avtomat.
(From the Encyclopedia of Firearms by Ian V. Hogg)

and the last was Mauser's STG-45... which the Mauser team went
to Spain and developed as the Cetme... before returning to Germany as
HK improving the design into the G-3... which has led to both the
incredible G-11 and new G-36.

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!

Rob

p.s. Nice try

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!


Well stolen or captured German technology was 100 years ahead of US technology
in 1945,so the term UFO nededed to be invented here.
Germans do not need to play by the pragmatical rules of Anglos,they only need
to remember time proven "Preussian tugenden".

If they do it,75 years old scientific and cultural ice age would end and world
could expreience another reneissance in Sciences,Culture and Arts.
Such an outcome is beneficial to all human race,including Anglos.

"Denyav" wrote in message
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Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!


Well stolen or captured German technology was 100 years ahead of US
technology
in 1945,

And which supposed technology would this be?

tim gueguen 101867

On 7 Jul 2004 02:46:43 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!

Can you provide a cite for the current usage? All the photos I've seen
of German KSK troops show them with G-36 variants or MP-5s.

Peter Kemp

From: Peter Kemp
Date: 7/7/2004 5:00 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 7 Jul 2004 02:46:43 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!

Can you provide a cite for the current usage? All the photos I've seen
of German KSK troops show them with G-36 variants or MP-5s.

Peter Kemp

Nepolit was an explosive used in experimental shelless grenades. I don't know
if it was ever fielded. While I have no proof one way or the other I seriously
doubt it was tried in caseless small arms ammunition. In any event the
technology flopped.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Nepolit was an explosive used in experimental shelless grenades. I don't know
if it was ever fielded. While I have no proof one way or the other I seriously
doubt it was tried in caseless small arms ammunition. In any event the
technology flopped.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Stick to a/c Dan. Nipolit was invented by WASAG and experimented with
in a wide range of applications such as: shaped explosives, caseless
grenades, disc grenades (85mm diameter, 13mm thick with egg type
detonator inserted in core), anti-tank charges, and caseless
ammunition in the end. Original Nipolit grandes were used in combat
and examples are still found in museums today.
Dynamit-Nobel picked up where WASAG left off...

If you want military book references there are plenty around.

Rob

From: (robert arndt)


Stick to a/c Dan.

Take your own advice. This is a military aviation NG not infantry weapons.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(robert arndt) wrote in message . com...
Nepolit was an explosive used in experimental shelless grenades. I don't know
if it was ever fielded. While I have no proof one way or the other I seriously
doubt it was tried in caseless small arms ammunition. In any event the
technology flopped.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Stick to a/c Dan. Nipolit was invented by WASAG and experimented with
in a wide range of applications such as: shaped explosives, caseless
grenades, disc grenades (85mm diameter, 13mm thick with egg type
detonator inserted in core), anti-tank charges, and caseless
ammunition in the end. Original Nipolit grandes were used in combat
and examples are still found in museums today.
Dynamit-Nobel picked up where WASAG left off...

If you want military book references there are plenty around.

Rob


nipolit was also to be used in the next generation Panzerfaust
warheads of world war 2 (Panzerfaust 250 was essentialy an RPG7). It
was merely necessary to automatically machine the entire warhead
without any metal. Apart from maufacturing simplicity it would
overcome Germany's metals shortage. Although tested the factories
were never built. Interestingly the most powerfull unguided
shoulderlauched anti-tank weapon today is the current German
Panzerfaust-3 whose 'tube' is made of fiberglass, thus the possibility
of an weapon with zero metals content is raised. (With a future self
forging warhead the Panzerfaust-3 might even get past frontal modern
composit MBT armour )

There was a great deal of work in the use of composit
plastics/aluminium cartridges to overcome metal shortages as well by
the Germans during the WWII and presumably neopolit would have been
considered for cartridgeless ammunition as well. Its advantages in
aerial canon where space, weight and rate of fire are critical should
be apparent.

The G11 rifles ammunition is amazing. Not only is amunition
cartridgeless (the round is embeded in the plastics propellant without
a casing in effect the propellant IS the casing) but the propellant is
actually square thus allowing very compact amuntion storage.

The G11 equiped soldier can carry 2.5 times as much amunition for the
same weight as an M4. A 16lb including rifle gives nearly 600 rounds
with a super high velocity.

Stick to a/c Dan. Nipolit was invented by WASAG and experimented with
in a wide range of applications such as: shaped explosives, caseless
grenades, disc grenades (85mm diameter, 13mm thick with egg type
detonator inserted in core), anti-tank charges, and caseless

Our friends from US standardized minds production lines wont easily understand
how much Germans were advanced and are advanced.
Lets help them,60s "American" anti-tank marvel TOW is a direct copy of
Rotkaepchen of 1944 and Hellfire of Peipenkopf of 1945.
But they are only peanuts when compared to what US got from Kammler and U-234.

The name of Arizonian David Hudson is only a cover to hide the origins of zero
point energy.(Similar to the invention of term UFO to hide their earthly
origins).
In 1945 German technology 100 years ahead of US technology and thanks to stolen
German technology Anglo controlled US were able to stay as major power.
But 100 year period slowly but surely coming to the end.
All what we now experience is a prelude to the "clash of civilizations'.but
this clash wont be between religions or like that as the Anglo warrior
Huntington wants to make it happen,but between the civilization that were able
to produce a technology a century ahead of their time and the civilization that
stole it.

Peter Kemp wrote in message . ..
On 7 Jul 2004 02:46:43 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!

Can you provide a cite for the current usage? All the photos I've seen
of German KSK troops show them with G-36 variants or MP-5s.

Peter Kemp

GSG-9 had them on hand when they were in Iraq immediately after
Baghdad was captured. GSG-9 was there to protect German business
interests and citizens.
Austria's Cobra Unit also retains the G-11 for special missions and
KSK retains them as well... even though the incredible success of the
cheaper, less-expensive G-36 means that the G-11 would only be used in
crisis situations.
I believe also that Zoll and special German SEKs have tested the G-11
out. The Heer still has a stock of them and some of them were either
sold or loaned out to foreign SOFs and HRUs. The rifle is highly
praised by all accounts.

Rob