Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam

From: (WalterM140)
Date: 7/10/2004 11:04 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Sure, it's OTS. Does it matter how Bush got his butter bars? The fact
remains
he did.


Yes, and he got them the same way other ANG pilots got them.

ANG pilots were direct commissioned? All of them?



Walt

He went through OTS.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan wrote:

He went through OTS

Actually the ANG calls it something different...at least they did in 1994 when
I went through UPT with 4 Guardsmen. Little did they know that they were
recieving special treatment. Please don't engage "Walt", he doesn't have a clue
about the military or aviation and as such is not worth your time. IMHO, "Walt"
is the worst troll I've seen here *ever*. At least Venik and the rest of the
"Serb loonies" were discussing aviation related matters....fantasy aviation,
but aviation none-the-less.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 10 Jul 2004 17:04:36 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

Dan wrote:

He went through OTS

Actually the ANG calls it something different...at least they did in 1994 when
I went through UPT with 4 Guardsmen. Little did they know that they were
recieving special treatment. Please don't engage "Walt", he doesn't have a clue
about the military or aviation and as such is not worth your time. IMHO, "Walt"
is the worst troll I've seen here *ever*. At least Venik and the rest of the
"Serb loonies" were discussing aviation related matters....fantasy aviation,
but aviation none-the-less.


BUFDRVR

I was OPR at ATC-Hq from 1970-72 for "undergraduate rated assignments"
in ATC-Personnel. My office was responsible for all input to flying
training programs (UPT, UNT, UPT-H) and all graduate assignments into
the operational training pipeline. We also did the CONUS survival
school input (global at Fairchild, water at Homestead and the
"special" courses.)

We handled input from AFA, AFROTC, OTS (whether ANG, AFRES or
active-duty). That give me a bit of insight into the personnel
sequencing of pilot input during the period and the manning situation
during the drawdown period from SEA that has been in discussion.

As for feeding the trolls, I learned a long time ago that the value of
Usenet isn't in changing the mind of the trolls, but of providing
input and fact to the readers of the threads. No one is going to
communicate intelligently with Walt who simply regurgitates what he
gets from Terry McAuliffe and doesn't acknowledge being found wrong
regardless of how many people provide refutation. The statements of
fact are for the consideration of the lurkers who might otherwise find
their ideas forever corrupted with simplistic propaganda.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Ed Rasimus wrote:

The statements of
fact are for the consideration of the lurkers who might otherwise find
their ideas forever corrupted with simplistic propaganda.

I understand this Ed, but its really killing this newsgroup.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Actually the ANG calls it something different...at least they did in 1994
when
I went through UPT with 4 Guardsmen. Little did they know that they were
recieving special treatment. Please don't engage "Walt", he doesn't have a
clue
about the military or aviation and as such is not worth your time. IMHO,
"Walt"
is the worst troll I've seen here *ever*. At least Venik and the rest of the
"Serb loonies" were discussing aviation related matters....fantasy aviation,
but aviation none-the-less.


BUFDRVR

Bush -did-not- go through OTS or any other officer qualification program.

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc14.gif

He was commissioned the day -- after-- he completed a basic airman course.

Walt

ANG pilots were direct commissioned? All of them?



Walt

He went through OTS.


Bush went through OTS? That contradicts James Webb, who said he did not.

Also -this- document -- released by Bush -- shows that he completed enlisted
training on 9/3/68 and was commissioned a 2nd lt -- the very next day!

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc14.gif

Bush got special treatment from first to last. His records have been sanitized
and completed -after- he ducked out for two years. BUT there -is- a document
extant that PROVES at least a 16 month gap in his service.

Walt