ASW27B prices falling

All prices of gliders been on a steady decline for several years now. The cost of a good sailplane has never been so affordable, thanks to the equal decline of the soaring interest.......

and if you can afford $80k, then you perhaps you can afford more and are looking for a sustainer or self launcher?

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 9:57:48 AM UTC-4, Craig Reinholt wrote:
All prices of gliders been on a steady decline for several years now. The cost of a good sailplane has never been so affordable, thanks to the equal decline of the soaring interest.......

and if you can afford $80k, then you perhaps you can afford more and are looking for a sustainer or self launcher?

I can wait a few years for falling glider prices to stabilize.

The thing that's always driven willingness to throw down a lot of money on a glider is competition. $80K is, any way you slice it, a lot of money for a 15+ year old glider (just ask any of our wives :-)). There are a thousand reasons the 27 is a great glider. However, performance in competition is the one that supported the market price of used 27s at roughly "every dime I spent on it since new".

What's happening in the competition world? Connect the dots...

Evan Ludeman / T8

I will say, except for a very few, more gains are achieved by training the nut behind the stick.
If I could spend $xxx,xxx and win US Nats, sign me up.
But, I KNOW that a good pilot could fly, say, a well prepped ASW-20 and kick my butt flying in ANY new glider most days, thus pilot training is worth it first and foremost.

(Yes, I know what you fly, yes, well prepped it's still a great sailplane......).

I ended up selling an ASH-26 after my best friends untimely demise............ After checked the recent sales, I set a rather low price of $130K and put it on W&W site. No response, not even a nibble! After several months, I finally sold it to an Australian pilot for less. My take on the situation was that a buyer who could spend 130K for a used ship is probably more interested in the latest brand new, gee-wiz machine available.
JJ

At the higher end, there's simply fewer people with the money.

As for people saying it's too much glider, it's easier to fly than just
about
anything else, but harder to fly well.

At 17:04 09 August 2017, Tango Eight wrote:
The thing that's always driven willingness to throw down a lot of
money on
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a glider is competition. $80K is, any way you slice it, a lot of money
for=
a 15+ year old glider (just ask any of our wives :-)). There are a
thousa=
nd reasons the 27 is a great glider. However, performance in
competition
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s the one that supported the market price of used 27s at roughly
"every
dim=
e I spent on it since new". =20

What's happening in the competition world? Connect the dots...

Evan Ludeman / T8


Speaking of the USA market, T8 is correct. That is how it has behaved
for the last ~35+ years. As soon as a ship is not at a top competitive
level, the resale value has dropped off rapidly. In Europe, clubs will
tend to buy up these gliders, which means that the market will support
higher prices for these types of birds. In the USA, the re-sale market is

(and has been, but is getting worse due to declining participation) too
thin, so now that the V3 and JS3 are coming out, the ASW-27 and V2
prices will fall. That is just the nature of the beast in the USA....
RO

The new designs have not proven they are better than the 27. The JS-3 while very innovative, has very low wing area, which might prove a hindrance on weaker days, and the V3 has not competed in 15 meters. The 27 might very well be the equal of these newer gliders and priced right to get younger pilots into competitive ships, just one reporter's musings.


On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 3:00:07 PM UTC-7, Michael Opitz wrote:
At 17:04 09 August 2017, Tango Eight wrote:
The thing that's always driven willingness to throw down a lot of
money on
=
a glider is competition. $80K is, any way you slice it, a lot of money
for=
a 15+ year old glider (just ask any of our wives :-)). There are a
thousa=
nd reasons the 27 is a great glider. However, performance in
competition
i=
s the one that supported the market price of used 27s at roughly
"every
dim=
e I spent on it since new". =20

What's happening in the competition world? Connect the dots...

Evan Ludeman / T8


Speaking of the USA market, T8 is correct. That is how it has behaved
for the last ~35+ years. As soon as a ship is not at a top competitive
level, the resale value has dropped off rapidly. In Europe, clubs will
tend to buy up these gliders, which means that the market will support
higher prices for these types of birds. In the USA, the re-sale market is

(and has been, but is getting worse due to declining participation) too
thin, so now that the V3 and JS3 are coming out, the ASW-27 and V2
prices will fall. That is just the nature of the beast in the USA....
RO

As I stated before in this thread, a well prepped ASW-20 (with winglets) is pretty much there. A well prepped -20B works well in "heavy conditions."

Take it from a cross country pilot with quite a few hours in a A and C. Sucks on a ridge day @9lbs watching others cruise by you at speed, I won based on knowing when to climb for gap jumps (Mifflin).

I still say, for 90%,nut behind the stick is more important than the glider.
Deep pockets?
Go for it.
More time and training is cheaper and better.

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 5:55:14 PM UTC-4, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:

A well prepped -20B works well in "heavy conditions."

I love my '20. I can out climb any other glider in the sky in small weak thermals.

Guy Byars