sunlight readable iphone

Maybe you can find the source of the ClearNav II display.Â* Or just the
display for the Dell Streak 5
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/for-dell-streak-mini-5-lcd.html...

Good luck!

On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, jfitch wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 9/14/2017 10:46 PM, jfitch wrote:


snip
When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S8 produces up to a very impressive 1,020 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light, where high Brightness is really needed – which is the brightest Smartphone display that we have ever measured"


I guess you're talking specifically about smart phones, because my
ClearNav II is (subjectively) many times brighter than my Dell
Streak 5 which itself is brighter than any smart phone I've seen to
date.Â* Admittedly I have neither seen them all nor tested any
objectively.



That said, why worry about battery life when it's so simple to take
a USB panel mount cable, cut off the computer end, and make it into
a power jack for your phone (red and black wires connected to your
DC bus)?Â* Or simply purchase a portable 5v
lithium battery which will fit easily in the side pocket.


--

Dan, 5J
I don't worry about battery life as I have the iPhone plugged into the ship's LFP battery. But the manufacturers of these phones do worry about it, that's why the displays aren't as bright as they could be. The dedicated panel displays tend to be brighter as small portable battery power is not a consideration. Phones and PDAs are built for a market which values battery life over sunlight readability. The downside of dedicated panel displays is it locks you into a particular manufacturer's solution which is frozen at that point on the technology curve, at a very high price. They aren't getting rich on them, there is just a cost difference between building 500 over the life of a product vs. 50,000,000 per quarter, as Apple does. They are saying the iPhone X will be in short supply because they can only produce 10,000 a DAY!

What I would like to have (and have been working on in the background) is a panel display that mirrors a smart phone. It could be very bright, and still have the advantages of using a high volume consumer device for all the connectivity/computation/memory etc. You would not be trapped into a single solution.

--
Dan, 5J

On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe you can find the source of the ClearNav II display.Â* Or just
the display
for the Dell Streak 5...



Good luck!




On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, jfitch wrote:



On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


On 9/14/2017 10:46 PM, jfitch wrote:


snip
When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S8 produces up to a very impressive 1,020 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light, where high Brightness is really needed – which is the brightest Smartphone display that we have ever measured"


I guess you're talking specifically about smart phones, because my
ClearNav II is (subjectively) many times brighter than my Dell
Streak 5 which itself is brighter than any smart phone I've seen to
date.Â* Admittedly I have neither seen them all nor tested any
objectively.



That said, why worry about battery life when it's so simple to take
a USB panel mount cable, cut off the computer end, and make it into
a power jack for your phone (red and black wires connected to your
DC bus)?Â* Or simply purchase a portable 5v
lithium battery which will fit easily in the side pocket.


--

Dan, 5J


I don't worry about battery life as I have the iPhone plugged into the ship's LFP battery. But the manufacturers of these phones do worry about it, that's why the displays aren't as bright as they could be. The dedicated panel displays tend to be brighter as small portable battery power is not a consideration. Phones and PDAs are built for a market which values battery life over sunlight readability. The downside of dedicated panel displays is it locks you into a particular manufacturer's solution which is frozen at that point on the technology curve, at a very high price. They aren't getting rich on them, there is just a cost difference between building 500 over the life of a product vs. 50,000,000 per quarter, as Apple does. They are saying the iPhone X will be in short supply because they can only produce 10,000 a DAY!

What I would like to have (and have been working on in the background) is a panel display that mirrors a smart phone. It could be very bright, and still have the advantages of using a high volume consumer device for all the connectivity/computation/memory etc. You would not be trapped into a single solution.





--

Dan, 5J

Why not run a yotaphone? E-ink on one side...

Why not run a yotaphone? E-ink on one side...

Yes, and LCD on the other. I tried to get my Nook to run TopHat and have had zero luck. It is not possible withouot taking it apart and doing some soldering.Even then you have to have a serial output GPS. Newer USB output GPS will not work. I was lucky enough to test fly a Yodaphone (not sure about the spelling) and it worked well. However last time I searched for them online they were not sold in the USA. Probably because
they are made in Russia... might include spyware at no extra charge :-)

On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4, Soartech wrote:
... I tried to get my Nook to run TopHat and have had zero luck. ...

I've used a Nook for several years now. You do need to "root" the Nook (jailbreak the OS). Instructions are on the Tophat website. Once I've created the needed special memory card I've re-used it to root several Nooks easily enough. For me and for other club members. If you want I can do it for you too.

I've used two ways to get around the Nook not having a built-in GPS. One does not need soldering and uses cheap off-the-shelf components: a USB GPS "puck" and an OTG Y-cable (to which external 5V power also connects). It works reasonably well, although sometimes it froze up in mid-flight and I had to restart the Nook, which meant a split flight log. I suggested to the main developer to allow continuing the same log file after a crash and restart, and that is supposedly done now, although I havn't used that feature because I meanwhile switched to a different solution: I did solder a serial GPS to the Nook's motherboard. Not for the faint of heart... But it does work very well once done. A third way is via an "IOIO box" but that seems overkill to me.

A Yotaphone sounds neat, but it's hard to get one. Used Nooks are (still) plentiful and cheap, and I like the bigger screen. For a slightly smaller e-ink screen (good in tight cockpits) some people use a "Kobo Mini" e-reader.

On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 4:40:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4, Soartech wrote:
... I tried to get my Nook to run TopHat and have had zero luck. ...

I've used a Nook for several years now. You do need to "root" the Nook (jailbreak the OS). Instructions are on the Tophat website. Once I've created the needed special memory card I've re-used it to root several Nooks easily enough. For me and for other club members. If you want I can do it for you too.

I've used two ways to get around the Nook not having a built-in GPS. One does not need soldering and uses cheap off-the-shelf components: a USB GPS "puck" and an OTG Y-cable (to which external 5V power also connects). It works reasonably well, although sometimes it froze up in mid-flight and I had to restart the Nook, which meant a split flight log. I suggested to the main developer to allow continuing the same log file after a crash and restart, and that is supposedly done now, although I havn't used that feature because I meanwhile switched to a different solution: I did solder a serial GPS to the Nook's motherboard. Not for the faint of heart... But it does work very well once done. A third way is via an "IOIO box" but that seems overkill to me.

A Yotaphone sounds neat, but it's hard to get one. Used Nooks are (still) plentiful and cheap, and I like the bigger screen. For a slightly smaller e-ink screen (good in tight cockpits) some people use a "Kobo Mini" e-reader.
http://tophatsoaring.org/Kobo.html

An available solution is http://goflyinstruments.com/ . I have a V4. 20 hr battery, GPS, pressure sensor all in one package. Not inexpensive, but it works on a Kobo Mini. They're up to V6 now. Well thought out. I started with the Y-cable but found it messy. All in one is nice - when I fly club duals I use it with a kneeboard.

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 8:13:44 AM UTC+12, Soartech wrote:
Why not run a yotaphone? E-ink on one side...

Yes, and LCD on the other. I tried to get my Nook to run TopHat and have had zero luck. It is not possible withouot taking it apart and doing some soldering.Even then you have to have a serial output GPS. Newer USB output GPS will not work. I was lucky enough to test fly a Yodaphone (not sure about the spelling) and it worked well. However last time I searched for them online they were not sold in the USA. Probably because
they are made in Russia... might include spyware at no extra charge :-)

I've been using an Android based e-reader for a few seasons now. XCSoar runs on it nicely, standard install, nothing fancy. Just upgraded to a faster display that reduces the flashing on refresh.

Using a Boox e-reader from Onyx. 6 inch e-ink display. I got mine from Banggood.com.
Connecting to Flarm using an ioio adapter and the UART interface kit from Soartronics.

Works great and very reliable.

I've running the Yotaphone 2 lately and it works great. The brighter it is the better it is. The only issue is since there is no color, some of the icons are difficult to decipher. I picked mine up for $110 but they are getting harder to find now. Word is they are coming out with the Yotaphone 3 model this month with a bigger screen but since it is a new phone will go for $600.

On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 10:32:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe you can find the source of the ClearNav II display.Â* Or just
the display
for the Dell Streak 5...



Good luck!




On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, jfitch wrote:



On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


On 9/14/2017 10:46 PM, jfitch wrote:


snip
When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S8 produces up to a very impressive 1,020 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light, where high Brightness is really needed – which is the brightest Smartphone display that we have ever measured"


I guess you're talking specifically about smart phones, because my
ClearNav II is (subjectively) many times brighter than my Dell
Streak 5 which itself is brighter than any smart phone I've seen to
date.Â* Admittedly I have neither seen them all nor tested any
objectively.



That said, why worry about battery life when it's so simple to take
a USB panel mount cable, cut off the computer end, and make it into
a power jack for your phone (red and black wires connected to your
DC bus)?Â* Or simply purchase a portable 5v
lithium battery which will fit easily in the side pocket.


--

Dan, 5J


I don't worry about battery life as I have the iPhone plugged into the ship's LFP battery. But the manufacturers of these phones do worry about it, that's why the displays aren't as bright as they could be. The dedicated panel displays tend to be brighter as small portable battery power is not a consideration. Phones and PDAs are built for a market which values battery life over sunlight readability. The downside of dedicated panel displays is it locks you into a particular manufacturer's solution which is frozen at that point on the technology curve, at a very high price. They aren't getting rich on them, there is just a cost difference between building 500 over the life of a product vs. 50,000,000 per quarter, as Apple does. They are saying the iPhone X will be in short supply because they can only produce 10,000 a DAY!

What I would like to have (and have been working on in the background) is a panel display that mirrors a smart phone. It could be very bright, and still have the advantages of using a high volume consumer device for all the connectivity/computation/memory etc. You would not be trapped into a single solution.





--

Dan, 5J

Finding the display isn't the problem, plenty of displays out there. It's getting the mirroring working. Apple's solution for this does not display in full resolution, and does not display in portrait orientation. There is no other solution but hacking the phone OS, possible perhaps but complicated. Not sure what exists in the Android world but iGlide does not run on Android anyway.

Any suggestion for a 7-8 inch HDMI display, 1000+ nits, decent resolution?

BTW, for Android devices and HDMI displays you can get an easy perfect HD mirroring through Amazon's Fire TV Stick for $39.99.



Finding the display isn't the problem, plenty of displays out there. It's getting the mirroring working. Apple's solution for this does not display in full resolution, and does not display in portrait orientation. There is no other solution but hacking the phone OS, possible perhaps but complicated. Not sure what exists in the Android world but iGlide does not run on Android anyway.

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 11:30:26 AM UTC-7, Tom BravoMike wrote:
Any suggestion for a 7-8 inch HDMI display, 1000+ nits, decent resolution?


B and H Photo has very nice ones.
Jim

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...02_7_oled.html