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On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:34:03 PM UTC-7, 6PK wrote:
Hmmm. I once owned a Del Streak running XCSoar.I read the overwhelming reviews on it but frankly it was a disappointment at least to me,as it was just ok.
I went back to my old Vertica/Aviar running WinPilot after that for a couple of years.
The Vertica "sort of worked"with WinPilot, IMO Jerry was close to having a great system combination but than he shortly abandoned this Windows based program in favor of his IOS. (And yes, so did Vertica2 disappeared, although there is some noise that the Vertica3 is coming)
I agree, WinPilot was a great system, far better than it's sort of poorly executed carbon copy; SYM.
Since than the only sensible system out there is XCSoar/Top Hat.
Yes, it would also be nice to have a simulator of Iglide to compare but there isn't one.
It leaves still a desirable modern platform for any of the above except for the Oudie2 which I own one and it's for sale.
Just my nickels worth.

If Winpilot (the original on an Avier) was still in the running I would put it second behind iGlide. It quit working with the Butterfly (at a Butterfly firmware update) and Jerry wouldn't fix it, though the fix was trivial. Even though years old now, Winpilot is still way ahead of SYM. Winpilot's thermal assistant is still the best in the industry.

Is Iglide only compatible to the Butterfly vario? ( if yes, it's an unfortunate negative).

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 2:09:39 PM UTC-7, 6PK wrote:
Is Iglide only compatible to the Butterfly vario? ( if yes, it's an unfortunate negative).

iGlide can be connected to anything producing an LX style data stream using their WiFi connection interface.

For me, as SYM improved over the years it overtook Winpilot even before Jerry stopped developing WP for Windows mobile.

I have always preferred it to XC Soar. XCS is amazing value, but I am mystified that some of you prefer the interface to SYM. Much less flexible display with data only in fixed position navboxes, same navbox structure on all map pages, more keystrokes to enter tasks. What is better?

But all these systems are superb, what matters most is to be very familiar with whichever you use.

PS I admit I don't use the SYM thermal assistant so I cannot compare it to others. I use the LX one, and also have the LX zoomed in showing my trail in vario colours.

While the locations of the nav boxes are the same between pages, you can
configure the nav boxes to display different data on each page. You can
also configure XCSoar to automatically switch between climb, cruise, and
final glide pages.Â* Maybe more that I'm unaware of.

On 9/21/2017 3:47 PM, waremark wrote:
For me, as SYM improved over the years it overtook Winpilot even before Jerry stopped developing WP for Windows mobile.

I have always preferred it to XC Soar. XCS is amazing value, but I am mystified that some of you prefer the interface to SYM. Much less flexible display with data only in fixed position navboxes, same navbox structure on all map pages, more keystrokes to enter tasks. What is better?

But all these systems are superb, what matters most is to be very familiar with whichever you use.

PS I admit I don't use the SYM thermal assistant so I cannot compare it to others. I use the LX one, and also have the LX zoomed in showing my trail in vario colours.

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Dan, 5J

XCS is amazing value, but I am mystified that some of you prefer the interface to SYM. Much less flexible display with data only in fixed position navboxes, same navbox structure on all map pages, more keystrokes to enter tasks. What is better?

I've never used XCS but TopHat allows me to set up different pages with different nav boxes. Don't think I can change the basic number and position for a page but I can display different data. TopHat isn't perfect--I've submitted a list of bug fixes and wish list items--but I've been using it for the season with no backup (I left GNII in the cockpit last year). Some years ago I purchased a used HP handheld and set up SYM to basically emulate GNII plus added data. Granted, I never flew with it. But I was put off by the necessity to "learn" so much before it was usable. TopHat requires some of that, too, but then so does (to an even greater degree) my new ClearNav vario. Nothing is as intuitive as my old Cambridge LNAV and GNII: hop into the cockpit every spring after a 6 month layoff and back in business in a few minutes.

But all these systems are superb, what matters most is to be very familiar with whichever you use.

Yes, yes, yes! Hopefully that familiarity is easily achieved and persists indefinitely. See my comments above.

Chip Bearden

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
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Even though years old now, Winpilot is still way ahead of SYM.

Wow you do comedy as well. I'll respond in person when we are both holding beers. :-)

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 6:47:54 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
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Even though years old now, Winpilot is still way ahead of SYM.

Wow you do comedy as well. I'll respond in person when we are both holding beers. :-)

There really isn't anything wrong with SYM that a complete and total re-write of the UI wouldn't fix. :-) But if I have to deal with it as it is, you buy the beer.

perjantai 22. syyskuuta 2017 7.42.43 UTC+3 jfitch kirjoitti:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 6:47:54 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
[snip]
Even though years old now, Winpilot is still way ahead of SYM.

Wow you do comedy as well. I'll respond in person when we are both holding beers. :-)

There really isn't anything wrong with SYM that a complete and total re-write of the UI wouldn't fix. :-) But if I have to deal with it as it is, you buy the beer.

What is the problem with SYM UI? It is far more easier to use, and configurable, than XCSoar. Not to mention glide computers which have no touchscreens at all. The UI is designed to be used in cockpit enviroment, with gloves on. In that enviroment some fancy Android or IPhone gestures would make me throw it out of the window in 15 seconds. You cannot even grab a modern phone without accidentally starting some app or pressing buttons on the edge

"While the locations of the nav boxes are the same between pages, you can
configure the nav boxes to display different data on each page. You can
also configure XCSoar to automatically switch between climb, cruise, and
final glide pages. "

Yes. I prefer to have the same info in the same place on each page. So I want a normal map with less info, and another with additional info. Possible in SYM, not in XCS. I don't want it changing the position of info automatically and have that switched off in XCS. My brain must work differently from the XCS devs. But from teaching other club members how to use these things which I do often I know I am much better at coping with them than most.