Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.

I woulen't exactly call a 50 ship Linebacker a sortie.



What's a Linebacker?


Arthur Kramer

You pullin' my leg here or just haven't been readig the dialog here for the
last couple of years?

I'd say you will have to wait for Ed's next book but I wil cut you some slack
because I've enjoyed your WWII stories.

Linebacker was the code name for Nixon's air campaign against North Vietnam in
1972 as Rolling Thunder was under Johnson inprevious years. There were two
phases. LB One involved mostly fighter ops and LB Two was a concentrated
campaign using B-52s over RP 6.

A Linebacker mission involved fighters, fighter-bombers or bombers, escorts,
comm, early warning, combat air patrols (CAP), pre and post strike recon,
tankers, airborne command and control, rescue, jammers, electronic intel
(ELINT), among other functions. On the order of a large heavy bomber strike in
the ETO. Same tonnage of bombs, just needed fewer planes to deliver. Usually
50 - 100 planes or so.

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: ojunk (Steve Mellenthin)
Date: 7/11/2004 1:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I woulen't exactly call a 50 ship Linebacker a sortie.



What's a Linebacker?


Arthur Kramer

You pullin' my leg here or just haven't been readig the dialog here for the
last couple of years?

I'd say you will have to wait for Ed's next book but I wil cut you some slack
because I've enjoyed your WWII stories.

Linebacker was the code name for Nixon's air campaign against North Vietnam
in
1972 as Rolling Thunder was under Johnson inprevious years. There were two
phases. LB One involved mostly fighter ops and LB Two was a concentrated
campaign using B-52s over RP 6.

A Linebacker mission involved fighters, fighter-bombers or bombers, escorts,
comm, early warning, combat air patrols (CAP), pre and post strike recon,
tankers, airborne command and control, rescue, jammers, electronic intel
(ELINT), among other functions. On the order of a large heavy bomber strike
in
the ETO. Same tonnage of bombs, just needed fewer planes to deliver. Usually
50 - 100 planes or so.

I have been seeing linebacker in lots of messages and you are the first one
that explained it. Thanks. I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam

I was 3 years old when Linebacker I kicked off and 3 1/2 for Linebacker II and
I still knew what they were.....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 7/11/2004 8:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:

I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam

I was 3 years old when Linebacker I kicked off and 3 1/2 for Linebacker II
and
I still knew what they were.....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


You must be unusually brilliant. Do you know gat operation Casy Jones was in WW
II?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

You must be unusually brilliant.

Hardly.

Do you know gat operation Casy Jones was in WW
II?

I plead ignorance on that one. Operation Market Garden and of course Overlord
are the only named operations of WWII I know off the top of my cranium.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 7/12/2004 3:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:

You must be unusually brilliant.

Hardly.

Do you know gat operation Casy Jones was in WW
II?

I plead ignorance on that one. Operation Market Garden and of course Overlord
are the only named operations of WWII I know off the top of my cranium.


BUFDRVR


The day the war ended we fitted our Marauders with 10X10 Fairschild mapping
cameras and started flying mapping missions deep into Russian territory with
the cameras rolling.. That was Operation Casey Jones. In all thse years I have
never heard a single reference to it by any historian or in any text. It was a
secret of the cold war that was never revealed. I piled up the hours, but
couldn't call them combat hours so I stand pat with my 250 out of 1100..For
everyone who thinks they can read a book and all will be revealed, forget it.
There is much that will never be revealed in books. If those who lived it never
reveal it, it will be lost to history forever


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 7/12/2004 3:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:

You must be unusually brilliant.

Hardly.

Do you know gat operation Casy Jones was in WW
II?

I plead ignorance on that one. Operation Market Garden and of course Overlord
are the only named operations of WWII I know off the top of my cranium.


BUFDRVR


The day the war ended we fitted our Marauders with 10X10 Fairschild mapping
cameras and started flying mapping missions deep into Russian territory with
the cameras rolling.. That was Operation Casey Jones. In all thse years I have
never heard a single reference to it by any historian or in any text. It was a
secret of the cold war that was never revealed. I piled up the hours, but
couldn't call them combat hours so I stand pat with my 250 out of 1100..For
everyone who thinks they can read a book and all will be revealed, forget it.
There is much that will never be revealed in books. If those who lived it never
reveal it, it will be lost to history forever

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Art,

Sounds like you've been reading the discussion on the Army/Airforce
Discussion Board.

Here is an extract from a recent posting:

"Yes, the summer 1945 overflight of Europe was called "Operation Casey
Jones." This mission was a mapping project, the overflight of "Occupied
Germany and territories occupied by Germany" to update maps. Thus the
B-17s were stripped of armament to gain altitude for their 'straight
runs' for mapping.

This is what is said in the released documents in the USAF archives in
1979."

Dave

ArtKramr wrote:

The day the war ended we fitted our Marauders with 10X10 Fairschild mapping
cameras and started flying mapping missions deep into Russian territory with
the cameras rolling.. That was Operation Casey Jones. In all thse years I have
never heard a single reference to it by any historian or in any text. It was a
secret of the cold war that was never revealed.

Now that's interesting, Art -- just the sort of input this newsgroup needs.


Jack

BUFDRVR wrote:

ArtKramr wrote:

I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam

I was 3 years old when Linebacker I kicked off and 3 1/2 for Linebacker II and
I still knew what they were.....

I guess Art slept through most of the 60s and 70s.
It was in all the papers...

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 7/11/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: ojunk (Steve Mellenthin)
Date: 7/11/2004 1:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I woulen't exactly call a 50 ship Linebacker a sortie.



What's a Linebacker?


Arthur Kramer

You pullin' my leg here or just haven't been readig the dialog here for the
last couple of years?

I'd say you will have to wait for Ed's next book but I wil cut you some
slack
because I've enjoyed your WWII stories.

Linebacker was the code name for Nixon's air campaign against North Vietnam
in
1972 as Rolling Thunder was under Johnson inprevious years. There were two
phases. LB One involved mostly fighter ops and LB Two was a concentrated
campaign using B-52s over RP 6.

A Linebacker mission involved fighters, fighter-bombers or bombers, escorts,
comm, early warning, combat air patrols (CAP), pre and post strike recon,
tankers, airborne command and control, rescue, jammers, electronic intel
(ELINT), among other functions. On the order of a large heavy bomber strike
in
the ETO. Same tonnage of bombs, just needed fewer planes to deliver.
Usually
50 - 100 planes or so.

I have been seeing linebacker in lots of messages and you are the first one
that explained it. Thanks. I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam


Arthur Kramer

More likely the assumed people your age paid attention to the news during Viet
Nam and that most people here have at least a rough idea of military aviation
history.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired