Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.

Gee, you must be REAL old. g

No, some here are really young. Or at least they act that way.


I used to work on the A and B models. Nice little airplane. A pain to work
on.

Heard it was a bit sporty to land on wet runwyas though.

I
had one sortie where we had to recover and rearm 20 min after TO from
DaNang.

Average sortie length was probably 2.5 hours or so. Don't forget we got to
work a little faster than you did so there was more opportunity to fly more
missions. Paul Had a total of around 30 months in SEA as opposed to my 20.


Reminds me of the Battle of the Bulge. We were opening our bomb bay doors as
our wheels came up.


Throw in nightly ricket and mortar attacks and you have the picture attack.
The one time I wasn't ashamed to admit I was scared was taxiing out at DaNang
at night with 6000# of bombs and 18,000# of fuel when the rockets started
hitting the taxiwayand apron.

Mike Williamson wrote in message ...

Of course he knew about the Golf Courses- he volunteered for
deployment to Vietnam, as you have known for some time, as it came
up several times in the newspapers, these forums, and even
television news.


As you know, he did not volunteer for deployment in Vietnam.
When he enlisted in the ANG he indicated that he did not want
to be stationsed overseas. Later, when he had only a couple of
years left, he did volunteer for a program that could have
deployed him overseas, but not necessarily in Vietnam. He didn't
have enough expience, and the aircraft for which he was qualified
was being phased out so, one does wonder why he did.

--

FF

"Steve Mellenthin" wrote
Gee, you must be REAL old. g

No, some here are really young. Or at least they act that way.


I used to work on the A and B models. Nice little airplane. A pain to work
on.

Heard it was a bit sporty to land on wet runwyas though.

Can't remember his name, but the Commander of TAC was killed trying
to land one.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:37:44 -0500, "D. Strang"
wrote:

"Ed Rasimus" wrote
"D. Strang" wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote

I can't speak for a generation, but in 1942 my greatest fear was that the war
would end before I got there and I would miss the adventure of a lifetime.

War is attractive to youth. Americans love war. Most veterans will tell you they
were scared, wouldn't do it again, but deep down--their lives were nothing before,
or after the war.

Few veterans will tell you they were scared. They certainly won't tell
you that before the fight and few will confess to it during the fight.
Some will admit it years after the war.


General Yeager tells a story in his book, where one time he was scared to
fly. I'm probably not describing it correctly, as he wasn't scared, he was
sure he was going to die. That's more what I mean. In combat, there are
times when you are sure you are going to die, and maybe scared isn't the
right word, but worrying about your family or fellow soldiers, who will now
have to deal with that.

You have a much better writing skill than I, and agree with everything you've
said here.


If you would like to read about scared, then I can (he said
blushingly) recommend that you take a look at When Thunder Rolled. I
deal with scared.

And, if Walt wants a Silver Star story, he'll find several about a
number of recipients although they aren't identified as such. One
comes at the end of Chapter 15, "Hits & Misses."....sort of a Colin
Kelly meets "magic and mirrors."


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

On 11 Jul 2004 19:13:04 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: ojunk (Steve Mellenthin)
Date: 7/11/2004 12:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


Bombers flew missions. Fighters flew sorties

I woulen't exactly call a 50 ship Linebacker a sortie.



What's a Linebacker?


Arthur Kramer

Art, I recall sending you a copy of When Thunder Rolled. If you read
it, you'll find a clear explanation of what the Route Packages were
and you won't have to ask questions like "what's a Pack 6".

And, if you wait until February when "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
is released, you'll get a clear explanation of what Linebacker was.

Or, you could read Eschman's "Linebacker", or Ethel's "One Day in a
Long War", or Michel's "Eleven Days of Christmas" or any of a dozen
other books about the air war over North Vietnam.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

From: ojunk (Steve Mellenthin)
Date: 7/11/2004 3:05 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Gee, you must be REAL old. g

No, some here are really young. Or at least they act that way.


I used to work on the A and B models. Nice little airplane. A pain to work
on.

Heard it was a bit sporty to land on wet runwyas though.

Picky-picky g

I was impressed by how much damage they could sustain and remain repairable. We
had one bury itself up to the pitot tubes in mud, the pilot flubbed a touch and
go, and it was flying in a few months.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
(B2431) wrote:

From: (Smartace11)


snip

A
two star I worked for did his tour as a navigator (!!) on a T-39 Learjet (c/s
Scatback) that ferried between Clark Air Base Phillipines, Saigon, and the
Thai
bases.

Not to be difficult, but the T-39 Sabreliner was made by Rockwell.

North American, before Rockwell acquired them.

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: "D. Strang"
Date: 7/11/2004 12:37 PM Paci

General Yeager tells a story in his book, where one time he was scared to
fly. I'm probably not describing it correctly, as he wasn't scared, he was
sure he was going to die. That's more what I mean. In combat, there are
times when you are sure you are going to die, and maybe scared isn't the
right word, but worrying about your family or fellow soldiers, who will now
have to deal with that.

Visit my website and read. "I'm going to die today'" It just what we were
talking about.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

When I clicked the link and scrolled down it shows a box outlined in red
that
says:

"I do/do not volunteer for overseas service."

Bush checked "Do not".

Walt


More spin.

It's not spin. I didn't keep track, but someone said that Bush volunteered for
overseas service. Maybe he did, but in February, 1968, he declined to do so.

I've seen no proof that he ever did.

Walt