Train Wreck

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Someone wrote this to me:

It's always a good idea to correct mistaken assumptions or statements, especially when they are the argumentative basis for actions with very serious consequences, don't you agree, Mr or Ms Somebody?

Gina
Gina,
I thought that night in Benalla was bigger than the both of us but now I am just "Mr Somebody? Was I just another notch in your lipstick case?
(Laughing) Is this 7T? (Laughing harder) How is it you show up here with a new account and only 4 posts claiming to be a crew member and yet you have more intimate knowledge of the SSA rules than most competitors?
Sean, I mean Gina, You probably don't remember me but we met briefly at the Nats. I am one of the dozens of casual competitors who enjoyed meeting you and talking in person and is entertained by your zainy interweb antics (Weren't you the one who started a soaring classified on FB over a snit with Tim Mara?).
This IS better than TV. I'm gonna grab another beer.

Mr Somebody again addressed me personally, without the courtesy of identifying himself, and wrote:

"How is it you show up here with a new account and only 4 posts claiming to be a crew member and you have more intimate knowledge of the SSA rules than most competitors?"

I claimed to be a crew member at Benalla because I was. You erroneously state that I have "intimate knowledge of the SSA rules." I merely did a Google search for the US Team Code of Conduct and read it. And I don't know who "Tim Mara" is.

Sean Murphy can enlighten you regarding the existential dilemma that you are having, Mr Somebody (or do you prefer Mr Nobody?). XC knows who I am. I had the pleasure of meeting him shortly before he flew in his first Worlds.. The 15m US Team did an excellent job at Benalla, and I enjoyed every minute of it.

Perhaps you should lay off the beer. The only pilot I know who can drink like a fish and not act like a dork is P7.

Gina Wilson
New Zealand



On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 3:24:43 PM UTC+13, wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Someone wrote this to me:

It's always a good idea to correct mistaken assumptions or statements, especially when they are the argumentative basis for actions with very serious consequences, don't you agree, Mr or Ms Somebody?

Gina
Gina,
I thought that night in Benalla was bigger than the both of us but now I am just "Mr Somebody? Was I just another notch in your lipstick case?
(Laughing) Is this 7T? (Laughing harder) How is it you show up here with a new account and only 4 posts claiming to be a crew member and yet you have more intimate knowledge of the SSA rules than most competitors?
Sean, I mean Gina, You probably don't remember me but we met briefly at the Nats. I am one of the dozens of casual competitors who enjoyed meeting you and talking in person and is entertained by your zainy interweb antics (Weren't you the one who started a soaring classified on FB over a snit with Tim Mara?).
This IS better than TV. I'm gonna grab another beer.

7T has been known to post under an alias here and in the sailboat racing world but not this time. I am convinced that last post was P7's crew, Gina. A delightful soul.

As to 711's post and anyone else who may be interested.

Gina is absolutely correct. There was no dysfunction with our team in Benalla. Everyone got along. Sean Fidler was a perfect gentleman. The pilots and crews represented the US well. John Good worked very hard (7am-11pm) and did two jobs as team captain and team manager. Tiffany, Gina and other folks did double duty to help out. Not to say we had enough help but it was a fun cooperative effort. Great experience.

This whole post began as my shocked reaction to Sean Fidler attacking his teammates and friends on the USTC after not getting selected in 18m. I mean to say John Good didn't do a good job is crazy! And the other vile things....nuts! He was offered a slot on the 15m squad after all. I continue to be mystified at how someone could act in such a manner.

I still can't believe it but I've said enough about all that...perhaps too much.

XC
Sean Murphy

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:54:30 PM UTC-7, XC wrote:
7T has been known to post under an alias here and in the sailboat racing world but not this time.............
Thanks for the clarification XC. I figured this was another Wilbur or Orville thing again. When I first read this thread I was rooting for 7T to hopefully be able to resolve this issue and move on but after some of the responses it shows how toxic this behavior really is.
And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story. When I first posted I was hoping 7T would get beyond the accusations and name calling and shed some insight (That was naive on my part).
And lastly JAMES, I usually do not dignify childish posts like yours with a response, but Tosser? Really? Is name calling necessary? Stop and think for a minute, Soaring is a small community and referring to people as jerk offs and scum is just counter productive.

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 11:50:40 PM UTC-7, K m wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:54:30 PM UTC-7, XC wrote:
7T has been known to post under an alias here and in the sailboat racing world but not this time.............
Thanks for the clarification XC. I figured this was another Wilbur or Orville thing again. When I first read this thread I was rooting for 7T to hopefully be able to resolve this issue and move on but after some of the responses it shows how toxic this behavior really is.
And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story. When I first posted I was hoping 7T would get beyond the accusations and name calling and shed some insight (That was naive on my part).
And lastly JAMES, I usually do not dignify childish posts like yours with a response, but Tosser? Really? Is name calling necessary? Stop and think for a minute, Soaring is a small community and referring to people as jerk offs and scum is just counter productive.

My God, "SCUM", is a 4 letter word which was sold on many T-Shirts and carrying bags by the late CD Charlie Lite. These 4 letters mean "Sailplane Crew Union Member". The "real" KM would know this! JS was the crew for both the AU folks who came to Uvalde this last summer, which Bruce Taylor won. JS is the one who also lent Bruce Taylor his ASG 29 for Nephi the year before.
As Gina stated earlier, why don't you sign your name because your not who some may think you are, Mr/Ms. Nobody!
Thank you, both XC and Gina, as I also will support your views on 7T at all the contests we have been at together. As a matter of fact, at all the contest's I have ever been to, I have always seen a good showing of Sportsmanship and Camaraderie with the entrant's, crew's, tow pilot's, contest management and line folks. Might have missed a few, but them too.

Best. Tom #711.

On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 2:15:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kelley #711 wrote:
711
Thanks for the clarification (Boy do I feel silly). My name is Kirk and I have signed my posts for years and many of the people here know who I am anyways and the subject has never come up. I have used K m for over a decade on one of my Google accounts because it holds a personal significance and (With the space and the lower case) it can not be mistaken for a contest number. There is no intent to imply any other identity.
In regards to the US team, other than financial support through donations to SSA, I don't have a horse in this race. I do however have friends who are past Team Members and I have head plenty of stories of good old boys and cronyism (Like an important decision being made, with bad results for the team, by someone who was not qualified to make such a call). And this is from people who are not prone to indulgence or drama. That is what initially attracted me to read about this team situation. Beyond this, I am possibly being mistaken for someone who cares. Also, I do not know any of the members involved well enough to form an opinion. For example, when referring to someone as "Mini Me", is that meant to be demeaning or sarcastic or what? Slander is another story of course but I figure trading barbs is between these two.
Lastly, in regards to conduct, I don't care and I figure it is up to SSA to decide what is acceptable (Unless it involves safety at contests of course).
Thanks again!

K m, the Pilot formerly Known as Mr Nobody, has again addressed me, thusly:

And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story.

There was no "fake" Gina, so no need to refer to a "real" one.

Here's a question for you, K m, and for those who believe that selection to a US Team should be based, even in part, upon whether or not a sizeable portion or even a majority of decision-makers believe that person's (internet, in this case) behavior to be objectionable. Which of all the arguably "difficult" or hotheaded or rash top-ranked athletes would you have yanked or banned from World teams or Olympic teams or national teams because they ****ed off a lot of people (by behavior that might have been the direct result of a perceived or actual injustice)?

Think of all the top athletes in their sports (basketball, hockey, tennis, boxing, soccer, rugby, etc.) whose behavior was less than desirable, or even eye-poppingly out-of-control, hair-on-fire, bat**** crazy stuff when that athlete suspected unfairness to himself or herself. Some astute poster already mentioned John McEnroe. Andy Roddick's tantrums were epic, and I'm old enough to remember Roddick's coach Jimmy Connors' meltdowns and abuse of officials. A lot of hair-trigger senses of injustice.

Any of you happened to have followed LeBron James's past national team career? He was considered so "disrespectful" of staff members that he was almost banned from the 2008 Olympic team, but luckily for the USA, not all admin or staff pooh-bahs were thin-skinned. LeBron was instrumental in the USA's back to back Gold Medals in the 2008 and 2012 Olympics, becoming the all-time leading scorer in the US men's basketball history. Sure, you don't have to like guys like LeBron, but sometimes it's best to get out of their way if you know what's best for the USA (rhymes).

So, in the infamous Fidler style of jerking one's chain, and for those of you who watch the soap opera "As the World (Team) Burns" --

Thin-skinned admin: "Oh! That LeBron was soooo rude to soooo many of us volunteer staff at Athens. [wringing of hands] It's inexcusable. I won't stand for it! He should just "suck it up" if he's not happy about our carefully considered decision to drastically limit his playing time. [reaching for handkerchief, dabbing of eyes] I feel sooooo disrespected by LeBron calling me names that I say we ban him from the 2008 Olympic Team. And if he keeps on disrespecting me after being banned from Beijing, I want him banned from all Olympics from here on in! I mean, I don't have to take this ****! I could be home with my pet gerbils Kareem and Kobe and watching Bowling with the Stars instead of taking this ****!"

Not-so-thin-skinned admin: "Oh, fer chrissakes! He's our best chance of winning Gold in the Olympics, so stop getting your panties in a knot. YOU'RE the one who should "suck it up". Drop that hankie and get LeBron on the phone -- he's on the Team.


Gina
SCUM-sucking SCUM



On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 7:50:40 PM UTC+13, K m wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:54:30 PM UTC-7, XC wrote:
7T has been known to post under an alias here and in the sailboat racing world but not this time.............
Thanks for the clarification XC. I figured this was another Wilbur or Orville thing again. When I first read this thread I was rooting for 7T to hopefully be able to resolve this issue and move on but after some of the responses it shows how toxic this behavior really is.
And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story. When I first posted I was hoping 7T would get beyond the accusations and name calling and shed some insight (That was naive on my part).
And lastly JAMES, I usually do not dignify childish posts like yours with a response, but Tosser? Really? Is name calling necessary? Stop and think for a minute, Soaring is a small community and referring to people as jerk offs and scum is just counter productive.

Hi Gina,

You really don't sound like a Kiwi.Â* Are you a transplant from the US?Â*
You write like you're from somewhere in the upper Midwest.

Anyway, I hope to meet you when I come to Omarama next year.

Cheers!

Dan

On 11/10/2017 4:18 AM, wrote:
K m, the Pilot formerly Known as Mr Nobody, has again addressed me, thusly:

And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story.
There was no "fake" Gina, so no need to refer to a "real" one.

Here's a question for you, K m, and for those who believe that selection to a US Team should be based, even in part, upon whether or not a sizeable portion or even a majority of decision-makers believe that person's (internet, in this case) behavior to be objectionable. Which of all the arguably "difficult" or hotheaded or rash top-ranked athletes would you have yanked or banned from World teams or Olympic teams or national teams because they ****ed off a lot of people (by behavior that might have been the direct result of a perceived or actual injustice)?

Think of all the top athletes in their sports (basketball, hockey, tennis, boxing, soccer, rugby, etc.) whose behavior was less than desirable, or even eye-poppingly out-of-control, hair-on-fire, bat**** crazy stuff when that athlete suspected unfairness to himself or herself. Some astute poster already mentioned John McEnroe. Andy Roddick's tantrums were epic, and I'm old enough to remember Roddick's coach Jimmy Connors' meltdowns and abuse of officials. A lot of hair-trigger senses of injustice.

Any of you happened to have followed LeBron James's past national team career? He was considered so "disrespectful" of staff members that he was almost banned from the 2008 Olympic team, but luckily for the USA, not all admin or staff pooh-bahs were thin-skinned. LeBron was instrumental in the USA's back to back Gold Medals in the 2008 and 2012 Olympics, becoming the all-time leading scorer in the US men's basketball history. Sure, you don't have to like guys like LeBron, but sometimes it's best to get out of their way if you know what's best for the USA (rhymes).

So, in the infamous Fidler style of jerking one's chain, and for those of you who watch the soap opera "As the World (Team) Burns" --

Thin-skinned admin: "Oh! That LeBron was soooo rude to soooo many of us volunteer staff at Athens. [wringing of hands] It's inexcusable. I won't stand for it! He should just "suck it up" if he's not happy about our carefully considered decision to drastically limit his playing time. [reaching for handkerchief, dabbing of eyes] I feel sooooo disrespected by LeBron calling me names that I say we ban him from the 2008 Olympic Team. And if he keeps on disrespecting me after being banned from Beijing, I want him banned from all Olympics from here on in! I mean, I don't have to take this ****! I could be home with my pet gerbils Kareem and Kobe and watching Bowling with the Stars instead of taking this ****!"

Not-so-thin-skinned admin: "Oh, fer chrissakes! He's our best chance of winning Gold in the Olympics, so stop getting your panties in a knot. YOU'RE the one who should "suck it up". Drop that hankie and get LeBron on the phone -- he's on the Team.


Gina
SCUM-sucking SCUM



On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 7:50:40 PM UTC+13, K m wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:54:30 PM UTC-7, XC wrote:
7T has been known to post under an alias here and in the sailboat racing world but not this time.............
Thanks for the clarification XC. I figured this was another Wilbur or Orville thing again. When I first read this thread I was rooting for 7T to hopefully be able to resolve this issue and move on but after some of the responses it shows how toxic this behavior really is.
And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story. When I first posted I was hoping 7T would get beyond the accusations and name calling and shed some insight (That was naive on my part).
And lastly JAMES, I usually do not dignify childish posts like yours with a response, but Tosser? Really? Is name calling necessary? Stop and think for a minute, Soaring is a small community and referring to people as jerk offs and scum is just counter productive.

--
Dan, 5J

Hi, Dan

You really don't sound like a Kiwi.

Oh, all right. I'll change it to "stop getting your knickers in a knot" and I'll add an "eh?" at the end of every other sentence.

You write like you're from somewhere in the upper Midwest.

Now, there's no need to insult people from the upper Midwest. (har!) They can't help it if they live in the wop-wops and write funny.

Anyway, I hope to meet you when I come to Omarama next year.

I don't live anywhere near Omarama (more's the pity, eh?). But R1 and his better half visited me a decade ago in the South Island, and they both lived to tell about it.

Gina



On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 6:40:05 AM UTC+13, Dan Marotta wrote:
Hi Gina,

You really don't sound like a Kiwi.Â* Are you a transplant from the US?Â*
You write like you're from somewhere in the upper Midwest.

Anyway, I hope to meet you when I come to Omarama next year.

Cheers!

Dan

On 11/10/2017 4:18 AM, Gina wrote:
K m, the Pilot formerly Known as Mr Nobody, has again addressed me, thusly:

And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story.
There was no "fake" Gina, so no need to refer to a "real" one.

Here's a question for you, K m, and for those who believe that selection to a US Team should be based, even in part, upon whether or not a sizeable portion or even a majority of decision-makers believe that person's (internet, in this case) behavior to be objectionable. Which of all the arguably "difficult" or hotheaded or rash top-ranked athletes would you have yanked or banned from World teams or Olympic teams or national teams because they ****ed off a lot of people (by behavior that might have been the direct result of a perceived or actual injustice)?

Think of all the top athletes in their sports (basketball, hockey, tennis, boxing, soccer, rugby, etc.) whose behavior was less than desirable, or even eye-poppingly out-of-control, hair-on-fire, bat**** crazy stuff when that athlete suspected unfairness to himself or herself. Some astute poster already mentioned John McEnroe. Andy Roddick's tantrums were epic, and I'm old enough to remember Roddick's coach Jimmy Connors' meltdowns and abuse of officials. A lot of hair-trigger senses of injustice.

Any of you happened to have followed LeBron James's past national team career? He was considered so "disrespectful" of staff members that he was almost banned from the 2008 Olympic team, but luckily for the USA, not all admin or staff pooh-bahs were thin-skinned. LeBron was instrumental in the USA's back to back Gold Medals in the 2008 and 2012 Olympics, becoming the all-time leading scorer in the US men's basketball history. Sure, you don't have to like guys like LeBron, but sometimes it's best to get out of their way if you know what's best for the USA (rhymes).

So, in the infamous Fidler style of jerking one's chain, and for those of you who watch the soap opera "As the World (Team) Burns" --

Thin-skinned admin: "Oh! That LeBron was soooo rude to soooo many of us volunteer staff at Athens. [wringing of hands] It's inexcusable. I won't stand for it! He should just "suck it up" if he's not happy about our carefully considered decision to drastically limit his playing time. [reaching for handkerchief, dabbing of eyes] I feel sooooo disrespected by LeBron calling me names that I say we ban him from the 2008 Olympic Team. And if he keeps on disrespecting me after being banned from Beijing, I want him banned from all Olympics from here on in! I mean, I don't have to take this ****! I could be home with my pet gerbils Kareem and Kobe and watching Bowling with the Stars instead of taking this ****!"

Not-so-thin-skinned admin: "Oh, fer chrissakes! He's our best chance of winning Gold in the Olympics, so stop getting your panties in a knot. YOU'RE the one who should "suck it up". Drop that hankie and get LeBron on the phone -- he's on the Team.


Gina
SCUM-sucking SCUM



On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 7:50:40 PM UTC+13, K m wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:54:30 PM UTC-7, XC wrote:
7T has been known to post under an alias here and in the sailboat racing world but not this time.............
Thanks for the clarification XC. I figured this was another Wilbur or Orville thing again. When I first read this thread I was rooting for 7T to hopefully be able to resolve this issue and move on but after some of the responses it shows how toxic this behavior really is.
And to the real Gina, I will echo what myself and others have said, No issues with anyone in person, But on the internet it is a completely different story. When I first posted I was hoping 7T would get beyond the accusations and name calling and shed some insight (That was naive on my part).
And lastly JAMES, I usually do not dignify childish posts like yours with a response, but Tosser? Really? Is name calling necessary? Stop and think for a minute, Soaring is a small community and referring to people as jerk offs and scum is just counter productive.

--
Dan, 5J

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 7:39:54 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Mr Somebody again addressed me personally, without the courtesy of identifying himself, and wrote:

"How is it you show up here with a new account and only 4 posts claiming to be a crew member and you have more intimate knowledge of the SSA rules than most competitors?"

I claimed to be a crew member at Benalla because I was. You erroneously state that I have "intimate knowledge of the SSA rules." I merely did a Google search for the US Team Code of Conduct and read it. And I don't know who "Tim Mara" is.

Sean Murphy can enlighten you regarding the existential dilemma that you are having, Mr Somebody (or do you prefer Mr Nobody?). XC knows who I am. I had the pleasure of meeting him shortly before he flew in his first Worlds. The 15m US Team did an excellent job at Benalla, and I enjoyed every minute of it.

Perhaps you should lay off the beer. The only pilot I know who can drink like a fish and not act like a dork is P7.

Gina Wilson
New Zealand



On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 3:24:43 PM UTC+13, wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Someone wrote this to me:

It's always a good idea to correct mistaken assumptions or statements, especially when they are the argumentative basis for actions with very serious consequences, don't you agree, Mr or Ms Somebody?

Gina
Gina,
I thought that night in Benalla was bigger than the both of us but now I am just "Mr Somebody? Was I just another notch in your lipstick case?
(Laughing) Is this 7T? (Laughing harder) How is it you show up here with a new account and only 4 posts claiming to be a crew member and yet you have more intimate knowledge of the SSA rules than most competitors?
Sean, I mean Gina, You probably don't remember me but we met briefly at the Nats. I am one of the dozens of casual competitors who enjoyed meeting you and talking in person and is entertained by your zainy interweb antics (Weren't you the one who started a soaring classified on FB over a snit with Tim Mara?).
This IS better than TV. I'm gonna grab another beer.

Gina, He is just a tosser, even though he might not know the expression.
"Urban" if you want to be respected at all, give yourself a real name while you're insulting a known crew member who has attended soaring competitions around the globe.
Jim
SCUM