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Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
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That while Japan did attack us, the Germans did
no such thing and we were dragged into the conflict for no good
reason.

In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated.
Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them.

Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

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FF

On 13 Jul 2004 17:15:57 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
...
That while Japan did attack us, the Germans did
no such thing and we were dragged into the conflict for no good
reason.

In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated.
Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them.

Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

This is called "allegory"--I honestly don't believe that Art had a
father in the Spanish-American War who said any such thing regarding
the correctness of our entry into WW II. I was making a literary
comparision between the nay-sayers of 2004 and the similarity in the
past.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
On 13 Jul 2004 17:15:57 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
...
That while Japan did attack us, the Germans did
no such thing and we were dragged into the conflict for no good
reason.

In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated.
Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them.

Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

This is called "allegory"--I honestly don't believe that Art had a
father in the Spanish-American War ...

Of course not.

But your choice of allegory furthered the myth that the US declared
war on Germany first in WWII. It is a persistant myth that needs
debunking whenever it is implied.

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FF

On 15 Jul 2004 12:50:02 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
On 13 Jul 2004 17:15:57 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
...
That while Japan did attack us, the Germans did
no such thing and we were dragged into the conflict for no good
reason.

In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated.
Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them.

Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

This is called "allegory"--I honestly don't believe that Art had a
father in the Spanish-American War ...

Of course not.

But your choice of allegory furthered the myth that the US declared
war on Germany first in WWII. It is a persistant myth that needs
debunking whenever it is implied.

Ahhh, hoist on my own petard. As a chronic debunker of persistent
myths, I must accede to your demands. My parallelism of FDR going to
war against Germany when it was the Japanese who attacked us was much
too obtuse in the relationship of the current argument that we went to
war in Afghanistan & Iraq when the attackers of 9/11 were Saudi.

Please debunk me whenever I imply. And, I will reciprocate. Hopefully
in understandable metaphor.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..


Please debunk me whenever I imply. And, I will reciprocate. Hopefully
in understandable metaphor.


Being confident that I shall afford you the opportunity, I now
thank you in advance.

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FF

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

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Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

Get a clue! Ed was making a fictitious example.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message ...
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

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Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

... Ed was making a fictitious example.


Unless I am mistaken the part I corrected was not INTENTIONALLY
ficticious.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote
(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
...
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

snip

Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

... Ed was making a fictitious example.


Unless I am mistaken the part I corrected was not INTENTIONALLY
ficticious.

The information you provided as a "correction" was historical incorrect.

"Brett" ,

without bothering to do even a simple reality check,

wrote in message .. .
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote
(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
...
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated.
Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them.

Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them
within the context of historical reality.

... Ed was making a fictitious example.


Unless I am mistaken the part I corrected was not INTENTIONALLY
ficticious.

The information you provided as a "correction" was historical incorrect.

http://members.aol.com/POESGIRL/Hitlerdow.htm

http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/germwar.html

Congressional Declaration of War on Germany December 11, 1941

The President's Message

To the Congress of the United States:

On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany,
pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against
the United States...

I therefore request the Congress to recognize a state
of war between the United States and Germany, and between the
United States and Italy.

...

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FF

"Fred the peabrain" wrote:
"Brett" ,

without bothering to do even a simple reality check,

peabrain your claim was:

"In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated.
Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them."

The claim "Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them." is
invalid.