SSA 2018 Rules Finish Penalty

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 9:00:14 AM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 11:03:55 PM UTC-5, Andy Blackburn wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:52:20 PM UTC-8, Andrzej Kobus wrote:

Here is my observation. Based on what I remember from the poll, majority of pilots voted for adopting FAI rules, yet the rules committee decided to study the issue instead of adopting the rules. Why not adopt the FAI rules for one of the contests this coming year. I am puzzled by this development. Why do we need to have a study if pilots already said they wanted the FAI rules?

You need to integrate all the other feedback.

When asked about specific rules provisions, there were majorities opposed to rules that would be included in a generic implementation of FAI rules.. These could be integrated as a set of "local procedures" that are part of every implementation of FAI rules, but what, exactly would all of those procedures be? It's pretty clear that this is a complex topic that you can't just shoot from the hip on, as much as many people would like to implement their own personal interpretation - and believe me, everyone has their own distinct interpretation of what FAI rules means. You need to pour through all the poll results in detail. I have, QT has. A few other have to varying levels of detail. It needs thoughtful people willing to put in hours and hours of serious work.

This is a big shift and most people have only the most general awareness on what's involved - or the patience to go through it throughly.

Andy Blackburn
9B

Andy, I get all of that, but why not have one contest with FAI rules to get some experience?

There was the PAGC. I'm not sure how you objectively collect, process and take action on the "experience."

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 9:27:45 AM UTC-5, John Godfrey (QT) wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 9:00:14 AM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 11:03:55 PM UTC-5, Andy Blackburn wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:52:20 PM UTC-8, Andrzej Kobus wrote:

Here is my observation. Based on what I remember from the poll, majority of pilots voted for adopting FAI rules, yet the rules committee decided to study the issue instead of adopting the rules. Why not adopt the FAI rules for one of the contests this coming year. I am puzzled by this development. Why do we need to have a study if pilots already said they wanted the FAI rules?

You need to integrate all the other feedback.

When asked about specific rules provisions, there were majorities opposed to rules that would be included in a generic implementation of FAI rules. These could be integrated as a set of "local procedures" that are part of every implementation of FAI rules, but what, exactly would all of those procedures be? It's pretty clear that this is a complex topic that you can't just shoot from the hip on, as much as many people would like to implement their own personal interpretation - and believe me, everyone has their own distinct interpretation of what FAI rules means. You need to pour through all the poll results in detail. I have, QT has. A few other have to varying levels of detail. It needs thoughtful people willing to put in hours and hours of serious work.

This is a big shift and most people have only the most general awareness on what's involved - or the patience to go through it throughly.

Andy Blackburn
9B

Andy, I get all of that, but why not have one contest with FAI rules to get some experience?

There was the PAGC. I'm not sure how you objectively collect, process and take action on the "experience."

A pilot poll could be designed to capture valuable data, alternatively a retrospective session with all pilots of such contest could be held. One could capture the level of satisfaction, safety aspects, what worked well and what did not.

In the end it is all about what majority of pilots want not what someone thinks they want. It is not my opinion and it is not RC opinion that matters it is the opinion of the majority of pilots and the best way to find out if we are going in the right direction is to test the rules in practice.

A super regional contest could be held to try this out.

Andy, you ought to know it is never the opinion of the majority of pilots that counts. I have seen it for years being the opinion of the committees that always matters and the rest of us just end up having to live with whatever they decide. It happens in soaring and it happens in every race or club association.